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1 | time | Acts 1:3 | Morant61 | 44447 | ||
Greetings Scott! Good quote! But, I don't think it applies to 2 Peter 3:8 for the following reasons. 1) Vine himself doesn't list the verse as an example of 'about'. 2) The verses where 'about' fits all have the format 'hos plus number'. The first phrase of 2 Peter 3:8 would fit, but not the second phrase. It says 'hos hemera mia'. Thus, 'as a day one' would be the translation, not 'about one day'. This is evidenced by the fact that not one translation translates this verse as 'about one day'. 3) Finally, the context of the passage would argue against 'hos' meaning 'about'. Peter uses this word in verses 8, 9, 10, and 16. The other three occurances clearly mean 'as', so it would be unusual to use 'hos' in a different manner in the same passage. Regardless though, this point doesn't seem to support your position. You are arguing that a day is a 1,000 years, not about a 1,000 years! :-) This isn't a big issue my friend. I just don't accept this view based on only two references, especially when both references are similies. I just believe that if God wanted to let us know this detail, He would have done so in a declarative statement, not a similie. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44706 | ||
Hi Tim heres a couple of other translation for concideration.The Jerusalem Bible But there is one thing,my friends, that you must never forget: that with the Lord,a day can mean a thousand years,and a thousand years is like a day. Interlinear Geek and English NT revised Standard Version and Zondervan Parallel NT Greek and English both read But this one thing let not be concealed from you,beloved that one day with the lord is as a thousand years and a thousand years as day one. Now this may not say that a thousand years is a day ,but it does show that God veiws time differant then we do. When I said that a thousand years was a day I was in error as I was making the same mistake I believe that those who say a day is a day and thats all it is ,is making.You cannot put a time limit on the why God looks at a day,it my be 24hrs,in one place,1000yrs in another,or even greater or lesser periods of time. Therefore when you state that a day is 24hrs in Gen. you are putting on God a time table that man relates to,not God. The word day come from the Hebrew word YOWM(stong's lexicon)Now for those that take yowm to be 24hrs in Gen. have to take it to be 24hrs in other books of the bible also.If you don't to my way of thinking you are only tring to make it fit with what you believe not to what the scriptures actualy say.It was because of the study of the word yowm that I seen my error in holding God to a thousand years, one day pricipal,but with God a day can be either longer or shorter then a thousand years,I for one will not hold Him to a thousand years much less a 24hr day. Here are some of the scriptures I came across to change my way of thinking.NU.20:15 How our fathers went down into Egypt, and we have dwelt in Egypt a long time(yowm); and the Egyptians vexed us, and our fathers:here we have a 400yr day. 1Sa.7:2And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time(yowm) was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the LORD.Here we have a 20yr day. 1Ki.11:42And the time(yowm) that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years. 40yr day.1Ch.29:2727And the time(yowm) that he reigned over Israel was forty years; seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.7year plus 33year day.There are others I could quote but this shoul be sufficent to show that no one knows how long a day is with God. Now lets look at evening and morning for in Gen.1:5 these two words make a day.You believe it to be 24hrs but read Da.8:14And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days(evening and morning); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.Here we have a evening and morning that is 2300days.Do these not all show that a day(yowm)is 24hrs,and much more then 24hrs. Only God knows his time table and if we limit him by our understanding of time we do Him a great diservies by making Him conform to us and not us to Him.In Christ Scott |
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3 | time | Acts 1:3 | Morant61 | 44745 | ||
Good morning Scott! Good points my friend! I don't think there is any doubt that 'yom' can mean many different lengths of time. Usually though, the context indicates how long a period is being discussed. You are right though my friend that I think the context of 'evening and morning' in Gen. 1:5 defines the length of 'yom'. I'm not sure of your point with Dan. 8:14. Wouldn't 2,300 'evenings and mornings' be 2,300 days? By the way, I am a firm believer in the 'timelessness' of God! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44766 | ||
Hi Tim I'm not sure of your point with Dan. 8:14. Wouldn't 2,300 'evenings and mornings' be 2,300 days? The word days comes from the same word evening and morning in Gen1:5. so it would follow that if evening and morning is one day,then the evening and morning here is 2300years. If you use the word days as evenings and mornings are you not making the evening and morning in Gen.1:5 evenings and mornings as they come from the same Hebrew words evening (ereb)morning(boqer).If you do it would read ...And the evenings and the mornings were the first day.I hope I you can understand what i'm trying to say because sometime I have a hard time expressing my thoughts on paper.In Christ Scott. | ||||||
5 | time | Acts 1:3 | Morant61 | 44800 | ||
Greetings Scott! I think we all have a hard time at times! :-) Short forums answers make it difficult, especially on complex issues. But, I'm still not following you. So, let me lay out my understanding of the verse to clarify where I'm coming from. Neither the word 'day' nor the word 'year' are used in Dan. 8:14. The text simply says 2,300 evenings and mornings. The most common assumption is that this refers to 2,300 days. The NET BIBLE says of this verse: " The language of evenings and mornings is reminiscent of the creation account in Genesis 1. Since ?evening and morning? is the equivalent of a day, the reference here would be to 2,300 days. However, some interpreters understand the reference to be to the evening sacrifice and the morning sacrifice, in which case the reference would be to only 1,150 days. Either way, the event that marked the commencement of this period is unclear. The event that marked the conclusion of the period is the rededication of the temple in Jerusalem following the atrocious and sacrilegious acts that Antiochus implemented. This took place on December 25, 165 b.c. The Jewish celebration of Hannukah each year commemorates this victory." So, it appears to me that this is one more verse where 'evening and morning' defines a day. Which lends further support that 'yom' in Gen. 1-2 refers to a normal day, since it is modified by 'evening and morning'. You seem to be saying that one 'evening and morning' in either 2,300 days long or 2,300 years long. But, the text never says either. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 44811 | ||
Hi Tim Da.8:14 4And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Reads Unto two thousand and three hundred evening(ereb)and morning(boqer). Gen.1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day. or the evening(ereb)and the morning(boqer) were the first day.Now if you say that the evening and the morning in Da.8:14 is evenings and mornings you also have to say that the evening and the morning in Gen.1:5 is evenings and mornings because they have the same meanings (ereb) and (boqer).No matter how you look at it the day is much more then 24hrs. As I have already said God showed me that I was putting a limit of time on Him by making a day a thousand years,you to fall into this error by making a day a 24hr day. When we make the day in Gen.1:5 a 24hr day we are making Gods word conform to our idea of what a day is instead of comforming to Gods idea of a day is. Which no man can tell for God dwells without time. Also remember that the sun,moon and stars were not created till the forth day,and that these were given for days ,seasons,years etc.now because these were not given till the forth day this shows us that God did not look at a day as 24hrs or He would have created them on the first day. to me this is a clear statement that God did created the days in His time and not our understanding of time. Therefore if you make it a 24hr day you make God dwell in time and we know that He does not,for He is timeless.I hope youcan see my meaning because as God is timeless we cannot restrict Him to the time it took to create the world. If it took Him 10,000,000yrs to Him it would be but a day.God bless,you brother in the Lord Scott |
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