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1 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43204 | ||
Hi Makarios I can see that you and Hank are of the same opinion this subject but you state that my theory of 1000 years as one day and one day as a 1000 years is proven wrong.Bear with me one more time as I try to make myself clear. God told Adam he would die in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree,you maintain this to be a spiritual death,I on the other hand maintain it to be both a spiritual death and a natural death.He died a spiritual death the moment he ate of the fruit of the tree , this was the beginning of that day, the beginning of the 1000 year day , but he also died within the 1000 years at 930 years of age. It was in this 1000 year day that Adam had his sons and daughters.Adam did not live past 1000 years of age so he in fact died a natural death before the day was over.Lets look at the word die it comes from the Hebrew word MUWTH and has this meaning 4191 muwth (mooth) a primitive root; TWOT - 1169; v AV - die 424, dead 130, slay 100, death 83, surely 50, kill 31, dead man 3, dead body 2, in no wise 2, misc 10; 835 GK - 4637 tWm 1) to die, kill, have one executed 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to die 1a2) to die (as penalty), be put to death 1a3) to die, perish (of a nation) 1a4) to die prematurely (by neglect of wise moral conduct) 1b) (Polel) to kill, put to death, dispatch 1c) (Hiphil) to kill, put to death 1d) (Hophal) 1d1) to be killed, be put to death 1d1a) to die prematurely Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995. Nowhere here does it state anything about a spiritual death or seperation from God. If you take a litteral stance to the scriptures Adam had to die a natural death in the day he ate of the fruit of the tree,and as the bible does not lie , the 1000 year one day principle is the only alternative to what God said " for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. To take a day is a day and that is all it is is makeing God a liar,I cannot except this as God DOES NOT LIE. 2Pet.3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. Now as to Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.One blood. You say this is Adam , I beleave this to be Jesus Christ.May God bless you and I hope we can come together again and reason the scripures together. Your brother in Christ Scott. |
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2 | time | Acts 1:3 | Morant61 | 43217 | ||
Greetings Sctt! I have been following this thread for awhile. May I interject a critique and a suggested explanation. 1) The critique: Your whole argument is based upon the assumption that spiritually a thousand years is a day. The problem is that both 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4 are similies - a comparison of two things of a different kind or quality. Thefefore, neither verses says that a day IS a thousand years. The point of both passages is simply that God views time differently than we do. What seems like a long time to us is nothing to God - Who is timeless. A further problem is that viewing the 'day' of Genesis as a thousand years would violate the plain sense of the passage. What I mean is this, how would those who originally read Genesis understand a principle not revealed until Psalms or 2 Peter? But there is a diffent way of looking at Gen. 2:17. Here is what Victor P. Hamilton says of this verse in his New International Commentary on Genesis. ******************************************** "Second, we need to examine the uses of mot tamut in Scripture. In addition to its appearance in 2:17 and 2:4, it appears twelve other times in the OT (Gen. 20:7; 1 Sam. 14:44; 22:16; 1 K. 2:37, 42; 2 K. 1:4, 6,16; Jer. 26:8; Ezek. 3:18; 33:8, 14) (**See Note below). All of these passage deal with either a punishment for sins or an untimely death that is the result of punishment. In two of these passages we observe that the threatened execution is not carried out. Thus in jer. 26:8 a sentence of death is pronounced against Jeremiah: 'You shall die!' Yet the death penalty is not exacted, for he is released on the basis of a century-old precedent set by Micah in the days of Hezekiah. In 1 Sam. 14:44 Saul says to Jonathan, who has just eaten the honey in ignorance of his father's ultimatum, 'you shall surely die, Jonathan.' Yet Jonathan does not die, but rather gains a reprieve...Furthermore, note that the three passages from Ezekiel (3:18; 33:8, 14) hold out the possibility that repentance may avert death...All that mot yamut clearly conveys is the announcement of a death sentance by divine or royal decree." **Note: (The author includes only the occurances of the infinite absolute 'mot' followed by the Qal 2nd masc. sing. imperfect 'tamut'.) ********************************************* Thus, if this author is correct (and he is an expert in Hebrew), then all Gen. 2:17 must say is that the day they ate of the tree in violation of God's command, they received a death sentence. The sentence itself need not have been carried out on that exact day, only issued on that day. Just some things to think about my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | time | Acts 1:3 | Sctt | 43617 | ||
Hi Tim welcome, 2Pet.3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. You state that those that originaly read Gen. would not understand a principle not revealed until 2Pet. But I beleave the people of old did understand this princilpe,because Peter say be not ignorant of this one thing. Ignorant has this meaning 1. lanthano (2990), “to escape notice,” is translated “they (wilfully) forget” in 2 Pet. 3:5, rv, lit., “this escapes them (i.e., their notice, wilfully on their part),” kjv, “they willingly are ignorant of”; in v. 8, rv, “forget not,” lit., “let not this one thing escape you” (your notice), kjv, “be not ignorant of W.E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger and William White, Vine’s complete expository dictionary of Old and New Testament words [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1996. So they are told not to willfuly forget that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,and a thousand years as one day.Now to willfully forget something would mean we had to know it to begin with. Now as conserning Jeremiah this was the priest and prophets and all the people that said unto Jeremiah thou shalt surely die. They said this because they didn't like what Jeremiah prophesied unto them. God keeps safe his own, and God was not done with Jeremiah. If it was God that said because you have prophisied falsely you are going to die ,well then goodbye Jeremiah. God keeps life and takes life as He sees fit,not as men do. As to Jonathan Saul would have killed him but the people withstood him,because God by Jonathans hand won the day. So you see it was because of God that Jonathan was not killed,for if God had allowed the battle to be lost Jonathan would have been killed by Saul,because the people would have thought that the battle was lost because Jonathan unnowingly went agaist Saul command. Now as you say it was a death sentance placed upon Adam this I can agree to ,but Adam still died before the 1000 years was up. Question: you take a litteral stance on day but when it come to the day of Adam death you take a spiritual stance. How come? As said before I take both a litteral and a spiritual stance. One more thought in Gen.2:4 it say These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769. Now these generations (all six days of Gods creative work)are said to be in the Day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Now if God says all six days of creation are a day whos to say how long a day realy is? In Christ Scott |
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4 | time | Acts 1:3 | nimrod2 | 43857 | ||
Hello Scott, Again, very valid points on the issue of days and of time in general relationship to literal interpretation of Genesis. I would add to your comments that even very early on, "church fathers and other Biblical scholars interpreted the creation days of Genesis 1 as long periods of time. The list of such proponents includes the Jewish historian Josephus (1st century); Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, apologist, and martyr (2nd century); Origen, who rebutted heathen attacks on Christian doctrine (3rd century); Basil (4th century); Augustine (5th century); and, later, Aquinas (13th century), to name a few." from Reasons.org Also regarding : Gen 2:4 The Hebrew word for generation, toledah, always refers to a long time period, never to anything as short as a week. In fact Genesis 2:4 uses the plural form, generations, indicating to me that even more time must have passed. |
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5 | time | Acts 1:3 | Makarios | 43861 | ||
Greetings nimrod! Those who hold that the earth is only thousands of years old instead of billions of years also have a website! :-) And that would be: http://www.AnswersinGenesis.org.. But don't worry, I've seen Hugh Ross debate the theory that the earth is billions of years old. I, however, choose to stand upon Scripture rather than mathematical computation. As for the authenticity to your claims that Josephus, Augustine and others subscribed to the theory that the world is billions of years old, well, I will most certainly have to check your sources. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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