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1 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 91259 | ||
John, I do not know where Ken is coming from, but what he is saying in a rather roundabout way is not that strange to me at least, unless I am mistaking his point, which, if I am, he can point out. It sounds a lot like traditional Catholic teaching on grace. See below 1996. "Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.[Cf. Jn 1:12-18 ; Jn 17:3 ; Rom 8:14-17 ; 2Pet 1:3-4.]" 1997. "Grace is a participation in the life of God. It introduces us into the intimacy of Trinitarian life: by Baptism the Christian participates in the grace of Christ, the Head of his Body. As an 'adopted son' he can henceforth call God 'Father,' in union with the only Son. He receives the life of the Spirit who breathes charity into him and who forms the Church." 1998. "This vocation to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God's gratuitous initiative, for he alone can reveal and give himself. It surpasses the power of human intellect and will, as that of every other creature.[Cf. 1 Cor 2:7-9 .] " 1999. "The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism. It is in us the source of the work of sanctification:[Cf. Jn 4:14 ; Jn 7:38-39 .] Therefore if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself.[2 Cor 5:17-18 .] " The Catechism of the Catholic Church Emmaus |
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2 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91332 | ||
I can accept a great deal of what that states but what I read in it speaks of something that relieves me of responsibility and the having to do anything but show up at regular church hours for the purpose of doind penents-sp?- and to to ask forgiveness for continuing to do my own thing. I see no need to seek anything with the way that catechism is written. Just pay my tithe and show up. That's not something I can embrace. | ||||||
3 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 91334 | ||
Ken, Well it is a rather small section of a large book. I think you are getting the wrong impression without the larger context. Emmaus |
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4 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91336 | ||
That be well be but I've read and had conversations with Catholic friends that has caused me to see the distinctions. I can agree on much they teach but I sense it to be from a wrong perspective; an earthly one instead of a kingdom one. | ||||||
5 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Emmaus | 91340 | ||
Ken, I can't judge what impression you may have gotten from individuals, but you may find the official teaching of interest. Sometimes it is not accurately transmitted even by those who mean well. Good night. Emmaus |
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6 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91357 | ||
I can understand that. I find myself in that position much of the time ...;']. It takes a great deal of effort to put our thoughts together to express scripture that is made fresh to you by the Holy Spirit that explains the inconsistancies and other matters we take for granted as being "normal". They aren't normal; more like average but not normal. Today when we don't have prayer answered we say, oh well, and move to the next difficulty or strain. We may pray about it, we may even have the whole assembly in the church pray about, and nothing again happens and piously repeat, Oh well, God works in mysterious ways, and again move to the next stress or problem not really interested anymore nor expecting God to answer especially after the whole church prayed. We go through the motions thinking now that the motions is what it's all about. Not many any longer are bothering ask "Why is that", we're supposed to have answers from God"? He said we are to have power in our lives and be disciples unto Him! Is this discipleship? Is this the result of what we are taught discipleship to be!? Is this what following Christ means?! Apathy!? This is pitiful! My conclusion to the matter is, if a Christian IS NOT making his home in the Kingdom of God he has NO right to expect his prayers to be answered or expect to have power for living; making the beattitudes an actually in ones life. Be assured that if today's modern Christian acidentally picks up a poisonous snake and gets bitten He's going to DIE! If he acidentally drinks poison, he's going to DIE! If he is not residing in the kingdom, he is none of His. You're on your own. Jesus said that many times. The hedge of protection is the kingdom of God. Death isn't there. Many will say, well how about the missionary's that have fallen, what about their deaths? I ask, What about the death of Jesus upon a cruel cross!? Was there a purpose in that we now see and understand? Of course we know the answer, God has made it plain to us. But the missionary in the foreign land who dies sacrificially? One day we'll know as we are known. In the meantime be assured if it was a disciple of Christ He/she died with understanding in their mind and heart concerning the issues of discipleship. When Paul say's "And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."-Rom 8. We take that as applying just to the unsaved or backslider. I don't read it any longer that way because Paul was speaking to born again Christians. Paul saw the kingdom! Study Paul. If we saw the kingdom we would NEVER backslide, our churhes would be vibrant in their teaching and experience in the presence of God! Ergo, we have not seen the kingdom; we don't know how to Love God the way He wants to be loved. Seek first the kingdom of God.........and all things will be added unto you" If one is a Christian, hungary for God, begin to look at circumstances in life to be opportunities to learn. It will be a wilderness experience to be sure. |
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