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1 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90986 | ||
If Salvation was the main issue for God bringing Jesus into this world why did he, after 30 yrs., goe through 3 1/2 more just to redeem man? Think about it before you start your criticisms. He could have gone straight to the cross. If you say 'well He had to accomplish a few healing tasks to prove who He was' I ask why..if redemption was the main issue? "Historic christian orthodoxy rejects the idea that baptism (or any work) is necessary for salvation. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone is Basic Bible 101." And I agree with Historic Christian orthodoxy 101 in rejecting the need of 'water' baptism as necessary for salvation but what does that have to do with need for being 'born again' to satisfy Jn 3.3,5? However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation. "Those who perservere to the end do so because they have been born again. They are new creatures created "in Christ". Really? "In Christ"? Then why the need to perservere? Is that what Jesus did...perservere? 'New creatures' carries with it a divine nature that possesses a heavenly vision not unlike what Jesus experienced. It's part of the Born Again experience that doesn't demand discipline of that sort though perservering in Christian life does have everything to do with overcoming self to become a son pleasing to the Father..Read Rev. 1-3. "Your casting of Mk 5:25 as a verse dealing with salvation is mistaken. Clearly it is a verse dealing with healing. The woman believed that Jesus had miraculous healing power, but so did many others who followed Him. The problem was that they were not prepared to accept that He was God incarnate." I said it "typifies" how salvation is accomplished. Try to follow: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". This was accomplished in her which took her to Jesus. He healed her typifying salvation by making her physically whole. We do that when we come to Jesus for our salvation, right? Now who faith are to live by if we CHOOSE to follow Him? His or ours? If His then the Born again experience is opened up to us. If ours, we stay in "self-mode", alienated from the kingdom of God. I trust I've been more clear. |
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2 | Please explain | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91141 | ||
Romans 12:2 says that the will of God is "good, and acceptable, and perfect". It was the will of the Father for Jesus to live the life He lived. Jesus said that he did not speak His Own words, but only what the Father gave Him. I am curious as to what prompted your reasoning here. Your knowledge of the scriptures includes, I'm sure, that Christ had to keep the law for our sakes because of our inabaility to do so. It was the Father's plan for Him (Jesus) to live the life He lived. When you say "go straight to the cross", are you inplying that as an infant, Christ could have suffered and died, or are you saying that He didn't even need to be born? What are you saying? | ||||||
3 | Please explain | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91198 | ||
"Romans 12:2 says that the will of God is "good, and acceptable, and perfect". It was the will of the Father for Jesus to live the life He lived. Jesus said that he did not speak His Own words, but only what the Father gave Him." This all is so as you have presented it. Now place yourself IN Jesus and the whole thing becomes you. You say, "but I don't know God's will perfectly". Let me explain. His perfect will for us, as the redeemed of the Lord, is to become as Jesus, the MAN. We should all be saying as Jesus, the BOY, "I must be about my Father's business". The "process" of becoming is what we all should be about and that's what a good Spirit filled church should about doing.i.e, caring as a mother to bring about those son's and daughter's God is after to fill His kingdom for Jesus' sake. Where we are individually in the process is not the issue, however to encourage for one another should be one. The "kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent TAKE IT by FORCE". In others words it is a warfare, one that is mostly with our "self" that doesn't like hanging on a cross and dying. All that I just posted isn't for evangelizing except Jesus said "make disciples of all nations". We Christians, by and large, haven't done that. We don't know much about that part of it. We drop them off at the cross and leave them there with "12 twelve self-improvement" program and say 'find a church and get involved'. Then the church burns them out with their social activities all supposedly "Holy Spirit" inspired.. "I am curious as to what prompted your reasoning here. Your knowledge of the scriptures includes, I'm sure, that Christ had to keep the law for our sakes because of our inabaility to do so. It was the Father's plan for Him" He kept God's intended law that the Jews distorted. But that I believe you understand. So we can rightly say He didn't ever break God's Law. I agree. But now that is something we must be about also, don't you think? The priviledge for us however, is that God's law is now found in Christ. Keep Christ and you keep God's law "for there is no condemnation for those who are in Him". If we fail and sin we have an advocate with the Father, Christ Jesus. This without the need to shed blood as the Jews must/needed to do. His perfect blood, the "Perfect Lamb of God" was shed once and for all. Now we can enter in, receive from Him, and get on with becoming unto Him a vast family as He purposed for to become. "When you say "go straight to the cross", are you inplying that as an infant, Christ could have suffered and died, or are you saying that He didn't even need to be born? What are you saying?" Let me ask you: If perfect blood was all it was about for the remission of our sins, which it was, then why didn't Jesus go straight to the cross? He was that perfect blood sacrifice from the beginning. The word "Lamd" connotes innocence, purit, and YOUTH/BABY. For that matter you could ask why did God wait so long in sending Him to be that sacrifice? Why didn't He do it right after Adam sinned? Obviously there is more to it than redemption. Jesus tells us in His word through the Gospels that Paul is given to explain in more detail. Jesus said He/God would send another comforter who would take the things of the Father and reveal them to us as the Father revealed them to Jesus, the man..That other comforter being the Holy Spirit. Great questions, 4givn. I hope I've helped with what I've posted....Ken |
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4 | It's hard to understand | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91304 | ||
Thank you for the kind reply. I am, however, having some diffuculty understanding where you're coming from. I guess it's the way you ask questions or something, I'm not quite sure, but you have sparked some curiosity because I have sensed for a long time that the enemy has lulled many Christians into a stupor and we have dozed off on the job, so to speak. (Is this close to what you are saying as one of your points?) As far as Jesus going "straight to the cross", I don't understand why you are asking this. My understanding is that it was in "the fullness of time", and because God is perfect, it is a perfect plan. Are you questioning God from a standpoint of child-like curiosity, or from a standpoint of judgment as to why He did the things He did - the WAY He did them? I also did not understand, as you said, placing myself IN Jesus, and then saying "but I don't know God's will perfectly". Jesus is the "fullness of the Godhead bodily". As God incarnate, He MUST have known God's will perfectly, because God the Father said that Jesus pleased Him well. Again, thank you for your insights and may the peace of God be upon you. |
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5 | It's hard to understand | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91328 | ||
Thank you for the kind reply. I am, however, having some diffuculty understanding where you're coming from. I guess it's the way you ask questions or something, I'm not quite sure, but you have sparked some curiosity because I have sensed for a long time that the enemy has lulled many Christians into a stupor and we have dozed off on the job, so to speak. (Is this close to what you are saying as one of your points?) Thank you for your graciousness and yes it is partly as you say and more. The church doesn't teach the kingdom. Every Sunday it's the same message of Salvation. Most everyones re-dedicator is worn out. ------------------------------- As far as Jesus going "straight to the cross", I don't understand why you are asking this. My understanding is that it was in "the fullness of time", and because God is perfect, it is a perfect plan. Yes, but what does the "fullness of time" represent except that God had more in mind then man's redemption? Right? Otherwise Baby Jesus was that perfect, pure, sinless little Lamb of God that would have satisfied that part of God's plan for redeeming man. ------------------------------------- Are you questioning God from a standpoint of child-like curiosity, or from a standpoint of judgment as to why He did the things He did - the WAY He did them? neither. I'm making an honest observation based on the scriptures. -------------------------------- I also did not understand, as you said, placing myself IN Jesus, and then saying "but I don't know God's will perfectly". Don't you place yourself in Jesus, abide in Him as He declares you must in order to live a life acceptable to Him? You must! Think of Jesus Christ as a Kingdom of one, then live there and make it a kingdom of two. Jesus did know God's will. Can you point out where I said this: "but I don't know God's will perfectly". --------------------------------- Jesus is the "fullness of the Godhead bodily". As God incarnate, He MUST have known God's will perfectly, because God the Father said that Jesus pleased Him well. Don't get the time of Jesus as a man, being on earth, and Him being the fulness of the Godhead, to closely wrapped together except as a 'reality' fact and not yet an 'actuality' fact though in the Father's mind it was a done deal and it was infact a fact. Didgah git all that? |
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