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1 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90986 | ||
If Salvation was the main issue for God bringing Jesus into this world why did he, after 30 yrs., goe through 3 1/2 more just to redeem man? Think about it before you start your criticisms. He could have gone straight to the cross. If you say 'well He had to accomplish a few healing tasks to prove who He was' I ask why..if redemption was the main issue? "Historic christian orthodoxy rejects the idea that baptism (or any work) is necessary for salvation. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone is Basic Bible 101." And I agree with Historic Christian orthodoxy 101 in rejecting the need of 'water' baptism as necessary for salvation but what does that have to do with need for being 'born again' to satisfy Jn 3.3,5? However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation. "Those who perservere to the end do so because they have been born again. They are new creatures created "in Christ". Really? "In Christ"? Then why the need to perservere? Is that what Jesus did...perservere? 'New creatures' carries with it a divine nature that possesses a heavenly vision not unlike what Jesus experienced. It's part of the Born Again experience that doesn't demand discipline of that sort though perservering in Christian life does have everything to do with overcoming self to become a son pleasing to the Father..Read Rev. 1-3. "Your casting of Mk 5:25 as a verse dealing with salvation is mistaken. Clearly it is a verse dealing with healing. The woman believed that Jesus had miraculous healing power, but so did many others who followed Him. The problem was that they were not prepared to accept that He was God incarnate." I said it "typifies" how salvation is accomplished. Try to follow: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". This was accomplished in her which took her to Jesus. He healed her typifying salvation by making her physically whole. We do that when we come to Jesus for our salvation, right? Now who faith are to live by if we CHOOSE to follow Him? His or ours? If His then the Born again experience is opened up to us. If ours, we stay in "self-mode", alienated from the kingdom of God. I trust I've been more clear. |
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2 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | John Reformed | 91040 | ||
Dear Ken hepting, "If Salvation was the main issue for God bringing Jesus into this world why did he, after 30 yrs., goe through 3 1/2 more just to redeem man?" During the first 30 years Jesus was growing and learning from the Father. In the fullness of time and according to the eternal purpose of God He began His mission; He lived in perfect obedience to the commandments so that His righteousness might be imputed to those whom the Father sent to Him. Why, at he age of 30 and not 13 or 3 is not revealed in Scripture. But we do know that He cames to save His people from their sins. "However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation." John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. I do not believe that "born of water" refers to believer's baptism, for that would be require a work being added to faith in order for one to be saved. Perserverance for a true believer is not a requirement for salvation. We are saved by grace alone. Rather, perserverance is a fruit produced in the believer by the Holy Spirit; It is an evidence of God working in us. We are His workmanship and His work does not fail to meet His expectations. It causes me real grief when I see so many, who profess Christ, busily attempting to work their way into the kingdom. The fact is that when the cross work of Christ was completed, ALL the work was over. The work we do is simply God working in us to accomplish His good pleasure. Salvation's work had been done on our behalf long before we were born. To God be the Glory! Is your theology concerning kingdom of God unique to you, or is it taught in your denomination? John |
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3 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91043 | ||
"During the first 30 years Jesus was growing and learning from the Father. In the fullness of time and according to the eternal purpose of God He began His mission; He lived in perfect obedience to the commandments so that His righteousness might be imputed to those whom the Father sent to Him." Whew!...scripture for that, please make it relate to that and nothing after. |
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4 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91044 | ||
"Is your theology concerning kingdom of God unique to you, or is it taught in your denomination?" No. It is taught in the Bible, It is mentioned 33 times in the NT as it's theme, and greatly overlooked by puritanical Calvinists. |
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5 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91050 | ||
“Why, at he age of 30 and not 13 or 3 is not revealed in Scripture. But we do know that He cames to save His people from their sins.” **"However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation." ”John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”. ”I do not believe that "born of water" refers to believer's baptism, for that would be require a work being added to faith in order for one to be saved.” OK, I said that. But then if you are saved you should want to be, right? A sign of communion or belonging, maybe? How about allegiance? Will that work? ”Perseverance for a true believer is not a requirement for salvation. We are saved by grace alone. Rather, perseverance is a fruit produced in the believer by the Holy Spirit; it is an evidence of God working in us. We are His workmanship and His work does not fail to meet His expectations.” Don’t be so sure here, John. I say it is a matter of responsibility that we are to purify our souls per 1 Peter1.22 “Seeing YOU have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently”…….. He is talking to disciples here, John and not to “just saved” people. ”It causes me real grief when I see so many, who profess Christ, busily attempting to work their way into the kingdom. The fact is that when the cross work of Christ was completed, ALL the work was over.” You mean the way was now open for man, once saved, to enter. Remember, Jesus said “IF” any man will…take up his cross and follow me” How do the unsaved take up a cross they haven’t received, the life and death of Jesus? Then you must ask what is this cross except it be an extension of the earthly life of Jesus given me to prove myself as Jesus did That Father can say to me well done good and faithful servant-son-.. Sorry, John, salvation is not the issue. Sonship is. “The work we do is simply God working in us to accomplish His good pleasure. Salvation's work had been done on our behalf long before we were born. To God be the Glory!” That’s nice and understood by me however the only faith that pleases the Father is the Faith OF the Jesus Christ and that MUST reside in me, revealed to be the very mind of God. If that is a ‘works’ issue to you so be it. Revisit 1 Peter 1.22…Rom. 8.2. If you can grasp this you’ll enter a more vibrant relationship with Father and the Bible will become a new one. |
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