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1 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Hank | 90894 | ||
It isn't "what" makes me think I must be born again to be saved, it's "who" -- who said it? Look at John 3:3. Who said "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God"? Jesus Christ said that. What greater authority on salvation is there besides Jesus Christ? --Hank | ||||||
2 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90904 | ||
Hank, I well understand why you believe that. I did for many years that left me with alot of questions no one seemed to be able to answer. I can see now where one doesn't have to be a disciple to be saved yet I wouldn't give much for ones claim of salvation if he/she wasn't pressing in to become a "son". Where's the love affair with Him if that isn't happening? But that's what discipleship -new birth-new nature- is all about and the necessity for Jn 3.3,5. Notice how Jesus responds to Nicodemos when Nic asked Jesus about eternal life. Jesus went right over the question to the reason He came to Earth. ie., reveal the Kingdom of God and Father's provision for our entering into it. Salvation is something we have nothing to do with. We are condemned to the cross. But 'sonship' is a different matter. "If any man will..." My faith takes me to Jesus to be made whole -see Mk 5.25-The woman with the issue of blood. Her faith took her to Him. By it she was made whole. Jesus declared that. Then it ends there. Now He says if you "abide in Me and I in you anything you ask in my name will be given you". So we can see that abiding is the condition, obviously a variable now in need of perfection, for entering His kingdom, not for being saved. Not only that but once you abide in Him you become a kingdom of ONE; an individual as Jesus so we can't hold to the 'wwjd' because we aren't Jesus. We are still who we are, Hank and Ken. God has a different plan for us than He did for Jesus and yet we must be corporate to reveal His Body and His universal Kingdom with Him at the head. Much allegiance has to be displayed in our lives when we see this."Let every "*saved" man work out his own salvation - *kingdom life". Otherwise we're traitors. We can also now see where our works must reveal Him but they must be works originating in Him and not from self effort. "If any man will..." *-emphasis mine JN 17.2 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one. God shares His Glory with no one...so how come He shared it with us who follow after Him? What then is this new birth experience but the taking into ourselves, the Glory of God. Jesus said: "Learn of Me... take My yoke" |
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3 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | John Reformed | 91235 | ||
"pressing in to become a "son". ? Gee! I thought we were adopted. Now I hear we must work for it. Matt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." |
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4 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91249 | ||
"...but he who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter." Sure sounds like something we are supposed to do. Hmm? I wonder what it could be? I wonder what Jesus was refering to when speaking of entering the KINGDOM of Heaven? Of course that was spoken in Matthew who used the word "heaven" instead of "God". |
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5 | Supposed to "DO" something? | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91308 | ||
I have started looking for your replies throughout this thread and I must say you have some very interesting thoughts. Are you saying that we must EARN our salvation? My take on this passage is that anyone who is saved will automatically walk in the good works prepared beforehand, with the understanding that we are "God's workmanship". Therefore if WE are HIS work, then that supports what He also said about HIM being "faithful to complete the good work He began" in us. Also, our salvation comes by faith through grace, not of ourselves, "not of works". It is God's "GIFT". The very idea of a "gift" is that it is received. Now if we receive that gift, then what is there to do besides that, because if there is anything ELSE to do it no longer becomes a "gift", and it becomes something else. And that is very unlike the wages of sin that we once "EARNED", which was death. But John 5:24 says that we have passed "from death unto life". I am trying very hard to understand where you are coming from, so please help me if you can, but if you are saying that we must "earn" anything in relation to our salvation, then I must point out to you that is not what the bible teaches us. |
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6 | Supposed to "DO" something? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91316 | ||
Earning salvation can't be done, so rest easy. I'm not saying that. I never have in this forum. By faith, my faith in Him, I am saved. BTW, that's the exstent of my faith. Now something happens: The righteousness of Christ for salvation is gifted, IMPUTED to me, that saves me. He saved me in the condition He found me but having said that He doesn't want to leave me that way. Now I have choice to make; to be born again and embrace the Great commandment or give so much lip service to Christ on Sunday and stay in 'self'. To begin to know God as Father or, just God. If I begin my walk in Grace and learn to live by THE FAITH of CHRIST and not my own, He IMPARTS, no gift here, to me His righteousness which reveals the MIND of the Father to me that brings me to "sonship" with the Father. Now that I am "in the WAY" I am enabled to see His kingdom and view the world from His perspective. If you need scripture for this c'mon back. |
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7 | Saved, but not born again? | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91323 | ||
So what you are saying is that you can be saved and not be "born again"? Please give scipture for that. | ||||||
8 | Saved, but not born again? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91326 | ||
That's my dilemna. I'm not sure I can. Oh there's plenty there but I need to be satisfied I'm correct in applying the scripture.. However the fact that I might me correct is enough to challenge me. I witness an awful lot on Sunday to make me wonder and conclude I am correct because there can be no other answer to the thing I witness and the resentment I receive when enaging most in conversation concerning the things of God. I know God Grace is great and all thos epeople aren't damned but I can't see the witness for the Kingdom of God anywhere in the church. |
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9 | Tares/wheat | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91467 | ||
Do you remember that "the tares must come up with the wheat"? And that Satan can appear "as an angel of light"? The enemy has sown his seed in amongst the church. It is no wonder that you see what you do, as I am sure many of us do. But we are to be "wise". What all do you "witness" on Sunday that makes you "wonder"? Do you REALLY feel you "can't see the witness for the Kingdom of God anywhere in the church"? Anywhere? Jesus said whatever we do to our brethren (feeding, clothing, visiting, etc.) we are doing to Him. Surely you must see SOME of this going on. What about evangelism? missions? Have you found any scripture yet for your contention that one can be saved but not born again? |
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10 | Tares/wheat | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91469 | ||
Who are you and where do I find you in the "tree"? I don't think I should have to look for 'wheat and tares' to find a name to answer to. Or do I just call you 'Wheat and Tares'? |
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11 | Tares/wheat | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91642 | ||
My name is Dave, and I am not asking you to answer to me in any way. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. That surely was not my intention. As far as I was concerned, we were engaged in a friendly dialogue and then all of a sudden you seem to get an attitude. Also, I don't understand what you meant by the "tree". |
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12 | Tares/wheat | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91647 | ||
'Thread' might be a better name than 'tree'. 'Tree' is the name this forum gives it. This forums software is very frustrating. I apology for offending you, Dave. Apparently I did. Seems very few sign their name in this thing and when someone comes in from the side one, well it's like getting caught off guard. I really don't have an attitude but do get frustrated. Sorry. Regards...Ken |
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13 | Tares/wheat | John 3:3 | 4givn | 91664 | ||
It's ok, Ken. No problem. | ||||||