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1 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91076 | ||
"It sounds like you are talking about discipleship or Christian maturity. Is that correct?" And that sounds like you think they are the same. I find Christian maturity CAN BE nothing more than a lot of 'religious head knowledge' while I consider dicipleship to be more of a love affair with the Father. The former requires revelational truth as a result of initimacy with the Father. Make those distinctions and we're on the same page because I know too many self-proclaimed "mature" Christians who resent it when the name Jesus is mentioned and walk away from the conversation. "If so, I would say that both are necessary. We need to be 'becoming Christlike' and knocking on those doors! ;-)" Jesus never knocked on doors. He spoke from His life and was never without an audience. |
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2 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Hank | 91101 | ||
Ken, Christian maturity is a product of following Christ, i.e., discipleship. "Religious head knowledge" as you put it is not discipleship and is not Christian maturity. The Pharisees had worlds of "religious head knowledge" and what did Jesus call them? Hypocrites! Generation of vipers! Blind guides! Perhaps in your assessment of what Christian maturity is, you are thinking of Christians who have lost their first love, who have become lazy, laid-back, apathetic shells of the vibrant disciples they once were. They haven't matured! They have simply withered on the vine. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91107 | ||
"Ken, Christian maturity is a product of following Christ, i.e., discipleship. "Religious head knowledge" as you put it is not discipleship and is not Christian maturity" Isn't that what I said? I'm not after some oneupsmanship game playing. Can we be clear on that?...;] I hope so. "Perhaps in your assessment of what Christian maturity is, you are thinking of Christians who have lost their first love, who have become lazy, laid-back, apathetic shells of the vibrant disciples they once were. They haven't matured! They have simply withered on the vine." --Hank No Hank, I'm thinking of the church that doesn't teach the kingdom of God and the "bringing many sons into Glory" theme of the Pauline epistles explaining the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ we must come into.. |
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4 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91109 | ||
Does that help you, Tim? | ||||||
5 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Morant61 | 91130 | ||
Greetings Ken! You wrote: "No Hank, I'm thinking of the church that doesn't teach the kingdom of God and the "bringing many sons into Glory" theme of the Pauline epistles explaining the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ we must come into.." This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91137 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." Jesus was a demonstration of the Kingdom. You might say He was a Kingdom of one who desires to multiply Himself. Ever wonder what the 'treasure in the field' is or the 'Pearl of Great price'? Think about it. Many -saved- are called, Tim. Few choose, consquently few are chosen. Everything spoken in the NT Epistles is spoken to disciples not just professors who don't follow. Jesus would that we either hot or cold but not luke warm. Rev.3.16. Sonship is what it becomes all about once you are saved and catch the vision of Kingdom |
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7 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91287 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." The way this went on the board doesn't please me. Lets try my response again, Tim. Give me a two outta three on this one. First of when one is sincerely born again he/she becomes a "child" of God. Reference to this sort of thing is found in Isa. where it says "For unto us a child is born". Then the child is turned over to household schoolmaster to be tutored to become a 'son'. That's the way it was back then. But nowhere is the child NOT a son at this point with regards to who he belongs to but he given over to a tutillage until he becomes of age to begin handling the affairs of the Father... This is spoken of also in Isa. when it speaks of a "son is given". 'Mother', the Church, is typified in this. i.e., Made responsible to train the child to become a son. This pattern was established with the baby Jesus, the child born, whose responsibility Mary, the pattern for Mother Church, was given to nurture young Jesus to Sonship. We can safely say that the Church is to protect and nurture the innocent new born in the ways of the kingdom, Father's government, that he be able to handle Father's affairs. Nowhere should Mother ever usurp Father's authority. She should never come up with her own doctrine. But we see that happening today. To be saved is to be redeemed. But when Paul say's "work out your salvation with fear and trembling", he is refering to becoming a mature son in God's kingdom. The tutillage coming from the Holy Spirit and judged by the leadership of the authority given the church. Note when you read this that He is speaking to the Christians at Philippi. "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons". So we can see that salvation, in his writing to them, is pertaining to something other than being redeemed or just saved.. |
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8 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Morant61 | 91291 | ||
Greetings Ken! That's better my friend! To me, what you are describing is simply Christian maturity or discipleship. We all are called to grow in grace, love, and knowledge. If this is what you have been saying, I would mostly agree. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91303 | ||
Yes Tim, But I sense you are coming from a wrong perspective than me. I'm afraid will to leave it at that. Peace Ken |
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10 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | TheLord'sChurch | 91309 | ||
Salvation A. Introduction: 1. Salvation B. God's eternal plan: 1. God planned man's salvation from before the creation of the world (Eph. 2:10; 3:11). 2. God wants everyone to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9). 3. God loves everyone (Jn. 3:16), but He will only save the people who obey Jesus (Heb. 5:9; cf. 2 Th. 1:8-10). C. If we love God, we will obey. 1. If we love God, we will obey Him (1 Jn. 5:3). 2. If we love Jesus, we will obey Him (Jn. 14:15; 15:10). D. What has Jesus taught us to do to be saved? 1. Believe in Him (Jn. 6:29; 8:24). a. People who believe, obey the gospel (2 Th. 1:8-10). b. People who have a disobedient faith (dead faith) are not saved (Ja. 2:14-26). 2. Repent (Lk. 13:3, 5). a. To repent means to have a change of mind resulting in a change of action (cf. Lk. 3:8; 2 Cor. 7:9-10). 3. Confess Jesus to be God's Son (Matt. 10:32-33; Lk. 12:8-9). 4. Be baptized (Matt. 28:18-19; Mk. 16:16). a. "Baptize" is a transliteration of a Greek word meaning to dip, to immerse. Baptism is a process of immersion in water and emergence out of water. b. Only men and women (not babies) were baptized (Acts 8:12; cf. Acts 5:14). 5. Remain faithful (Rev. 2:10). E. What have the apostles taught us to do to be saved? 1. Obey Jesus (Heb. 5:9). 2. Believe (Heb. 11:6; Rom. 1:16; 10:17). 3. Repent (Acts 17:30). 4. Confess Jesus to be God's Son (Acts 8:37; cf. Rom. 10:10). 5. Be baptized: a. in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:18-20). b. for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). c. to wash away sins (Acts 22:16). d. to be saved (1 Pet. 3:21; cf. Mk. 16:16). e. into (to be united with) Christ (Rom. 6:3-5; Col. 2:9-13). Salvation An Overview of Salvation BibleGuide.org Allan E. McNabb BibleStudyGuide.org allan@biblestudyguide.org 2 6. Remain faithful (1 Cor. 15:2; Rev. 2:10). F. The nine conversions in the Bible: 1. Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:5-47) People who believed (Acts 2:44), asked Peter what they should do (Acts 2:37). Peter commanded them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins (Acts 2:38). The people who obeyed Peter were saved and added to the church (Acts 2:40-47). 2. Samaritans (Acts 8:4-13) Men and women who believed Philip's preaching (Acts 8:4-5, 12-13) were baptized (Acts 8:12). 3. Ethiopian Eunuch (Acts 8:26-40) The eunuch believed Philip's preaching concerning Christ (Acts 8:35, 37). He believed, confessed Jesus to be God's Son, and was baptized (Acts 8:36-39). 4. Paul (Acts 9:1-20; 22:16) Paul saw the Lord in a vision. Afterwards, he was blind for three days during which time he prayed (Acts 9:3-9, 11). Paul was commanded to be baptized, and wash away his sins calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16). a. From Paul's conversion, we learn that we cannot be saved by praying. And, we learn that we must be baptized to wash away our sins calling on the name of the Lord. 5. Cornelius (Acts 10:34-48) Peter preached to Cornelius and his household the things commanded by the Lord (Acts 10:33). He commanded them to be baptized (Acts 10:48). a. From Cornelius' conversion, we learn that someone can be a good person (Acts 10:1-2, 22), but he must believe and be baptized to be saved (Acts 10:43, 48). 6. Lydia (Acts 16:13-15) Lydia and her household were baptized (Acts 16:15). 7. Philippian Jailer (Acts 16:25-34) The jailer asked Paul what he must do to be saved (Acts 16:30). Paul told him to believe in the Lord Jesus (Act 16:31). Then, Paul spoke the word of the Lord to the jailer and his household after which they were immediately baptized (Acts 16:32-33). 8. Crispus, Corinthians (Acts 18:8) Those who heard and believed the gospel were baptized (Acts 18:8). 9. Ephesians (Acts 19:1-7) Paul preached the gospel to men who had been baptized into John's baptism (Acts. 19:3). After hearing the gospel, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:5). a. From the Ephesians' conversion, we learn that people who have been baptized with a baptism other than Christ's must be baptized with Christ's baptism to be saved. shwnd300@hotmail.com |
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11 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91317 | ||
Care to make a comment about all that or should I assume what I choose to assume? | ||||||
12 | What did you choose to assume? | John 3:3 | TheLord'sChurch | 91320 | ||
What did you choose to assume? |
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13 | What did you choose to assume? | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91324 | ||
You were very incomplete and disconnected in your post. Very little of your post made connections with me to satisfy the issue of how you think salvation relates to discipleship. For that reason it only got a cursory look from me. It was way too much to respond to. I'm sorry for that. |
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