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1 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93411 | ||
This is my first post on the forum. I usually just read through the various discussions choosing to be more of an observer than a partcipant. However, this particular post left me stunned due to the sheer harsh tone and intellectual dishonesty. You say "I know what the Word says". Do you know that the Word says Christ is not a means to our own end (i.e health, wealth, and happiness, etc) but IS the end?-- Phil 3:7-8. Praise God that you are currently experiencing health, wealth, and happiness in your life. However, these are not guarantees for those in Christ Jesus. Read Hebrews Chapter 11. These men of GREAT faith, more faith than any of us could ever imagine, suffered torture, poverty, prison, etc. These men are the examples for us! Their lives were clearly not reflections of wealth and health. We serve a God who loves us and blesses us as HE sees fit, not as we see fit. If I am sick, I will pray for a healing according to His will. If I am broke, I will pray for my needs to be met according to His will. He is faithful and my faith is renewed each time I see His provision in my life. Christ commands us in John 6:27 "do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life..." As believers, our focus should be on advancing the Kingdom of God at whatever cost to us - be it our finances, our health, and even our own lives. I am thankful each day for the food on my table, the roof over my head, and my excellent health. I attribute all of this to God's blessing and not because I attained it through conjuring up some amount of faith that prompts God to move in my life. That would certainly be a heavy burden to carry. Christ came to remove our burden, not add to it. |
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2 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | Radioman2 | 94159 | ||
5. MEMBERS OF GOD'S CLASS: The Teachings of Kenneth Copeland - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Copeland also claims that Adam's transgression empowered Satan to evict God from the earth. "God's on the outside looking in," says Copeland. "He doesn't have any legal entree into the earth. The thing don't belong to Him."37 (Psalm 24:1 says otherwise.)' (Footnote 37. Kenneth Copeland, The Image of God in You III (Fort Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989, audiotape #01-1403), side 1.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Note: Numbers in the text are footnote numbers. To read the footnotes providing reference sources for this article, go to: (www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm)] 'Copeland overemphasizes similarities between God and man to the point where any distinction becomes virtually nil: "God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself....Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus....Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh" (emphasis added).26 'Referring to his so-called law of genesis, Copeland asserts, "Adam was created in God's own image and likeness, a spirit-being...[and] takes on the nature of his spiritual father or lord."27 In explaining the terms "image" and "likeness" in Genesis 1:26, he adds: "If you stood Adam upside God, they look just exactly alike....If you stood Jesus and Adam side-by-side, they would look and act and sound exactly alike....The image is that they look just alike, but the likeness is that they act alike and they are alike....All of God's attributes, all of God's authority, all of God's faith, all of God's ability was invested in that man."28 'Actually, the terms "image" and "likeness" refute Copeland's point. The Hebrew word for "likeness" (demuth) simply means similarity or resemblance, not identity.29 Furthermore, the term itself actually "defines and limits" the word "image" (Hebrew: tselem) in order "to avoid the implication that man is a precise copy of God, albeit miniature" (emphasis added).30 'Humans are created in God's image in the sense that they share, in a finite and imperfect way, God's communicable attributes (e.g, rationality and morality). These attributes, in turn, give individuals the capacity to enjoy fellowship with God, develop personal relationships with one another, and take care of God's creation as He has commanded.31 God's incommunicable attributes (e.g., omnipotence, omniscience, self-sufficiency), however, remain solely His. 'Along with the "image of God," Copeland also refers to "the life of God," which he interchanges with the terms "the absolute life of God," "absolute life," "life force," "life in the absolute sense," "eternal life," and "everlasting life."32 He applies these terms to a quality of life, the source of which is God.33 But he also speaks of it as "the substance - the source, the power - the unseen force that makes God, God...[and] places Him above everything else that exists."34 'Copeland states that "man was created to know that great life force and he longs for it in his dreams. Adam had that life force in him before he committed high treason" (emphases added).35 This is yet another sense in which Copeland believes Adam to be created in God's class. He was made to partake of "the unseen force that makes God, God" - once again diminishing severely if not altogether destroying any final distinction between creator and creature. 'Furthermore, this "force" is at times spoken of as a reality more ultimate than God Himself, conferring deity not only on the Creator but on His creation, man. This again puts God and redeemed man in the same class. 'In Copeland's theology, Adam (and, consequently, the rest of humanity) does not appear to have a uniquely human nature. Initially possessing the nature of God, "when Adam committed high treason [sinned] against God and bowed his knee to Satan, spiritual death - the nature of Satan - was lodged in his heart."36 Adam had, in effect, allegedly traded in his divine nature for a satanic nature, otherwise called "spiritual death." However, Scripture reveals that mankind is wholly distinct from both God (2 Sam. 7:22; cf. Mark 12:32) and angelic/demonic beings (Ps. 8:5; cf. Heb. 2:7). And even after the Fall, man is still said to bear the image of God (1 Cor. 11:7). 'Copeland also claims that Adam's transgression empowered Satan to evict God from the earth. "God's on the outside looking in," says Copeland. "He doesn't have any legal entree into the earth. The thing don't belong to Him."37 (Psalm 24:1 says otherwise.) And supposedly, since "the sin of Adam went all the way up to, but not including, the throne of God...[even] the Heavenly Holy of Holies had to be purified."38 ____________________ To read more, including extensive footnotes, go to: (www.equip.org/free/DC755-2.htm) |
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3 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94194 | ||
radioman2, I have a suggestion. If you really want folks here to see what KC teaches in context, why don't you post His entire message instead of posting from a site that is choosing bits and pieces of a teaching to discredit. Is that right? Post his actual teaching and THEN comment on it. This thread is filled with unsubstantiated accusations and slanderour remarks. God can't be pleased. God bless |
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4 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94196 | ||
Graceful Do you listen to Copeland? Unless he has changed radicially you will hear him saying these things. To suggest they are taken out of context is absurd. How do you take Satan dragged the worm (Copeland's words not mine) Jesus kicking and screaming into hell where he (satan) and his demons tormented him for 3 days, but Jesus won and was "born again" out of context to mean anything other than what was said? Give me an example of how what Copeland said might be correct if viewed within context. I would like to heard it. EdB |
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5 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94201 | ||
Yes, quite regularly. Do you know what the 'worm' is? It was the sin of mankind Jesus had taken upon Himself on the cross. Not His sin, but ours. Psalm 22:5-6 5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. 6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. This Psalm was spoken prophetically concerning Jesus, and Jesus confirmed this from the cross. Now the kicking and screaming part I do not agree with. Jesus was more in control of Himself than that, I believe, even in Hell God bless |
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6 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | DarcyA | 94206 | ||
Worm there is not sin for mankind, It is simple they were mocking Jesus on the cross which the context of psa 22:5-6 would probably mean that He is not a man meaning they were not treating Him like a man but like a warm. For you to say Worm equals sin of mankind it would make more since for him to say I am a man not I am not a man but a worm. The Doctrine that you are trying to defend is this over all Satan had control of God in Hell Satan got his wish and was above God. That is the main conclusion of the Hell Doctrine. He went to hell as it states but in 1 peter 3 he says what he was doing there. He was preaching! Nothing about suffering in hell He suffered the full payment right before He said "It is finished" Thats as far as it goes. Also remember Jesus said I give my Spirit into the father's hand. He did not say Satan's hand as the WoF believe. If the hell doctrine is truth that poor thief that Jesus said I will see you TODAY in paradise. I don't think that thief liked Paradise to much. Also Jesus was Holy since the beginning, He was holy On the cross, He is still Holy. Jesus said "it is finished" while on the cross. Nothing else is needed. His ressurection is our justifaction. It shows when Jesus said it was finished it obsolutely was finished. |
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7 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94272 | ||
Worm Strong's 8438 crimson, scarlet, worm Also used in Isaiah 1:83 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as SCARLET, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. "Worm there is not sin for mankind, It is simple they were mocking Jesus on the cross which the context of psa 22:5-6 would probably mean that He is not a man meaning they were not treating Him like a man but like a warm. For you to say Worm equals sin of mankind it would make more since for him to say I am a man not I am not a man but a worm." 6. But I am a worm and not a man, A reproach of men and despised by the people. 7. All who see me sneer at me; They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying, "Thats as far as it goes. Also remember Jesus said I give my Spirit into the father's hand." So Act's chapter 2 is not true either? Acts 2:24-28 23 this Man, delivered over by the (26) predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, (27) you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. 24 "But (28) God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it (29) was impossible for Him to be held in its power. 25 "For David says of Him, 'I SAW THE LORD ALWAYS IN MY PRESENCE; FOR HE IS AT MY RIGHT HAND, SO THAT I WILL NOT BE SHAKEN. 26 'THEREFORE MY HEART WAS GLAD AND MY TONGUE EXULTED; MOREOVER MY FLESH ALSO WILL LIVE IN HOPE; 27 BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. Peter goes on to say that David was not raised so theses verses are prophetic concerning Jesus..not left in Hades... While so many here on the forum defend doctrine... I present scripture, the only real test of TRUTH. God bless |
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8 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94289 | ||
Graceful Read psalm 22 that your so tied up with. It is the psalmist describing himself not anything placed on him or in him. To try to say that the worm he was calling himself is the worm of sin is taking scripture and forcing meanings that just aren't there. EdB |
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9 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | Emmaus | 94303 | ||
Ed, I have not been following this thead closely, so I hope I am not off track here. But, do you think that in Psalm 22, which is obvioulsy prophetic, the reference to being a worm could refer to how the one suffering and being put to shame is viewed by those tormenting him, as if he is saying, "I am a worm in the eyes of those who see me"? Just a thought. This verse from Hebrews came to my mind when I saw your post. Heb 12:2 "fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God." Emmaus |
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10 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94315 | ||
Emmaus I agree, the term language here could be viewed that way. In fact I will go as far as saying it probably was the writer intention rather than self abasement as I first suggested. I should have read MacArthur's commentary before I said what I did as MacArthur seems to agree with your take. Thanks However I'm sure you will agree that does not open the door to describe Jesus as a worm or having a weak emancipated wormy spirit. Nor is there any way to say the worm here is the sin of the world as Graceful suggestted. Thanks for pointing that out. EdB |
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11 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | Emmaus | 94318 | ||
EdB, I agree. Emmaus |
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