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1 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93843 | ||
Hi Gracefull- I wish I had the time to truly delve into this. However, with a one and a half year old trying to "help" mommy everytime I sit down at the computer, please forgive me for not being able to address each point that you make. Any omission on my part is not intended to ignore what you have taken precious time and thought to write. Here is the bottom line as I see it - God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas). Yes, faith is very important in the life of a christian. We are to pray without ceasing. My faith is in knowing that God will answer my prayers in His time and in the manner that is best. However, from what I have read and seen regarding the WOF beliefs, faith is likened to some force that is used to move God. This can become very problematic when one tries to move God to some action with all the faith they can muster and God does not move. According to WOF, the logical conclusion is that the person must not have enough faith. Again, where does the sovereignty of God come into the picture? I am sooooo thankful that He has not said yes to everything I have prayed for in my lifetime! He is all knowing and all wise and my faith is placed in HIS wisdom. The Bible says "My God shall supply all my needs according to His riches and glory by Christ Jesus" (Phil 4:19) There is no condition for x amount of faith here. If we trust in God he provides for our needs. How awesome and yet so simple is that?? I feel no pressure to have a CERTAIN amount of faith and I am totally confidant that He will provide. As an aside, you mentioned something about the laying on of hands to heal. My impression of your statment is that it is a requirement for healing. If you believe this - how is that scriptural? Is God limited to what He can do by our actions? Gracefull, it can be challenging having a debate via an email. Please know that everything I say is with a tone unintended to offend. I simply challenge you to truly examine WOF beliefs in light of the inerrant Word of God. In Him, Figgy |
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2 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93892 | ||
Hello Figgy, Part 1 of 2 You wrote... I wish I had the time to truly delve into this. However, with a one and a half year old trying to "help" mommy everytime I sit down at the computer, please forgive me for not being able to address each point that you make. Any omission on my part is not intended to ignore what you have taken precious time and thought to write. PLEASE no apology necessary. A lot is written here and there are many times there is just not the time to realy dig into these topics. Any and all comments and observations from all of us is an opportunity learn and grow. You said.. God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas). While I agree totally that God is sovereign, I disagree that He can do what He wants regardless of scripture. The reason I say this is two small verses that settle this matter for me.. Numbers 23:18-20 18 And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor: 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it. Luke 8:10-12 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Isaiah 55:10-11 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Figgy, as believers we have only two by which to place our faith, the Word and the Holy Spirit. These two are our connection to the Father. Now notice I did NOT say that Jesus is not our Saviour and Lord through which we are saved. But upon being born again we only have the Word and the Holy Spirit to guide us through life and show us the will of the Father. Without the Word, we would not have assurance that the spirit we are listening to is the Holy Spirit. So in light of this, the Word must be the final judgement in what we believe. God's Word is His New Covenant or will to His children. With this in mind, can God change His will randomly? Because God is sovereign He is the only one who could enter covenant with mankind because He is the only one with the authority to carry it out, and He chose to enter covenant with mankind. God conditioned in His covenant with Abraham that He can't break covenant and remain God. You, and others on the forum believe God can choose to do something that contradicts His covenant because He is sovereign. I believe He has committed Himself To His covenant and cannot change by His own choice. If that is heresy...I remain a heretic, because MY GOD IS FAITHFUL. That is the foundation of my faith. Otherwise, your faith in your salvation promised through Jesus is only as good as God chooses. My faith in my salvation through Jesus is secure because He said so IN HIS WORD. God bless |
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3 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93914 | ||
I should clarify my sentence: I said originally "God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas)." What I meant by this was that often times we may think with all of hearts that what we desire (whatever it may be) is God's will for us. However, it may NOT BE God's will for us and no amount of faith will move him if it is not His will. I am in whole hearted agreement with you that God does not contradict himself. Yes - GOD IS FAITHFUL! He does not break his promises. I am sorry if I somehow conveyed the message that I believe otherwise. -Figgy |
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4 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93921 | ||
Hi Figgy, That is the message I have been given at times here on the forum. But as a last footnote, I believe God places His desires in our heart if we are sincere. Those who are not sincere seek their own desires. But WOF encourages surrender and prayer and meditation in the Word to place ourselves in the position of having God's desire in our heart. Other's, however, can't judge our heart. Only God. God bless |
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5 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93927 | ||
Hi Gracefull- I think we have come full circle in our discussion. I would have to go back to my first or second note to you in which it seems to me that you do not represent the WOF movement as I have seen it represented by many others (including a few on this forum, and the leaders of it - Copeland, Hagin, Hinn). Perhaps you and I have more common ground than originally suspected regardless of my views on WOF. God Bless! Figgy |
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