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1 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93863 | ||
Hi Ed, You asked.. "Do we not receive life from God before we have faith? Do we not receive breath from God before we have faith. Was not the ten lepers healed without faith?" No. We receive nothing from God without faith. Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. The Word is unprofitable when not mixed with faith. Luke 17:12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off: 13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us. 14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed. Lepers were not allowed to go into the city, much less the temple. Jesus said...Go show yourselves to the priests. Ed, would it not take faith to do that? You said... Explain now Lazarus was exercising his faith before Jesus called him forth from the grave. Scripture does not state that faith was present, but it had to be because Hebrews 4:2 says the Word must be mixed with faith. Also Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Just one more, because this debate could go on forever... Moses and the buring bush...God chose to reveal Himself and speak His Word to Moses through the buring bush but Moses RECEIVED the promise when he obeyed by faith. He took up the rod and went in obedience. Because he went in faith, God was able to manifest Himself to Pharoah and Israel. Had Moses not believed God's Word... You said... "Just as I have demonstrated this principle is untrue and since this is foundational to WOF teaching we can also know WOF teaching is in error." You gave examples where the statement of the presence of faith is not stated. You have not disproved that we receive nothing from God except by faith in His Word. Name one thing we receive from God that is NOT by faith? Salvation? Our provision of food, clothing, dwelling? Jesus said seek first the Kingdom of God...and all these things will be added. Do you not have to BELIEVE that to obey and receive? To step out and be annointed for ministry do we not have to do so by faith before God begins to bless the ministry? We are enven instructed to 'seek the best gifts...'How would we do that? Ask in faith doubting not.. Nothing is received from God apart from faith in His Word..Whether it is my faith, your faith or some intercessor somwhere praying in the Spirit for you and you don't even know it. God bless |
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2 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | Emmaus | 93865 | ||
Gracefull, God does not give us life and breath before he gives us faith????? Either you missed Ed's point or you are denying that God is the Creator who gives us life, which I doubt was your intent. Emmaus |
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3 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 93907 | ||
Ed's point exagerated what I said. I said we receive nothing from God apart from faith. In the covenant WE HAVE ENTERED with God...we receive every portion of that covenant by faith...from salvation, food, healing, wisdom, the Holy Spirit, nothing. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say anything that could remotely be interpreted as saying God created all things by through the faith of mankind. But afterward, He initiated the covenant WITH mankind and we enter and abide in that covenant BY FAITH. Emmaus, reread my post and you tell me if I made such an implication? I know very well what Ed was saying, and I tried to get him back on track of what I said because the direction he was going in was not at all what I was saying. The truth is that Ed does not try to hear what I am saying, but rather what I say is filtered through his concept of WOF doctrine. He tries to 'read between the lines' some hidden meaning when there is none. I rather believe he missed my point. But after you re read it all, let me know if the message is not clear. I will certainly clarify further if need be. God bless you brother Emmaus |
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4 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 93981 | ||
Graceful The first note I responded to said, "Hello Figgy, We will have to talk tomorrow on this to get indepth. To begin with let me point out that Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. What does this verse say? Without faith we can receive nothing from God. To establish this principle first is critical to understanding WOF teaching." No where in here do you mention "covenant". In the second message you said, ""You asked.. "Do we not receive life from God before we have faith? Do we not receive breath from God before we have faith. Was not the ten lepers healed without faith?" No. We receive nothing from God without faith."" Again nothing about "covenant" here either. What you clearly say is, 'we receive nothing from God without faith' Now you say, "Nowhere in any of my posts did I say anything that could remotely be interpreted as saying God created all things by through the faith of mankind. But afterward, He initiated the covenant WITH mankind and we enter and abide in that covenant BY FAITH." And I never said you did!!!!!! Then you go on and try to malign me by saying I exagerate or that I run what you say through my WOF filter. Show me where! I read your post and saw you make a statement that we receive nothing without faith I showed that was not true. You said not so that in fact we must have faith to receive from God. Once again I proved you wrong. Now you say I was exagerated or misrepresented what you said, that you were really talking about covenant promises. That I also read between the lines and find things that aren't there, hidden meanings. You made a statement I responded and said it was not correct. Instead of you correcting it or restating it to what you meant to say you instead try to make me look the villian. I'm sorry for you. EdB |
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5 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94152 | ||
Hi Ed, I will try to respond to your other post on this topic indepth. However, you are correct. I did not state 'in covenant'. This was a serious communication error on my part. I made an assumption that we were all on the same page as covenant children discussing the New Covenant. For that I sincerely apologize to all forum members. The foundation of WOF teaching on faith is Covenant based. God is a covenant God. He began entering covenants with mankind when He created Adam. So as for His creation of the heavens and the earth and all that is within them for us, these were created before His first covenant with mankind. Nature was set in it's course before us. We can surely make choices in our lives apart from God that are 'good' in our thinking anyway. Even athiest fall in love, get married, have children and grandchildren....And in this life they are 'good'. "Now you say I was exagerated or misrepresented what you said, that you were really talking about covenant promises. That I also read between the lines and find things that aren't there, hidden meanings." Again, I sincerely apologize...I will try harder to be a better communicator. God bless |
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6 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94157 | ||
Graceful I have noticed a pattern in your communications whihc is distrubing me. It seems you only respond on weekdays. I prya your not using a company machine on company time to participate on the forum. As Christians we are to work as unto the Lord and to give more to our employers than non Christians. That is why I hope your not on company resources or company time when you post here. EdB |
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7 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94164 | ||
Hi Ed, Thank you for your concern. Yes I agree that we must be faithful stewards. I am self employed, and reserve the weekend for my husband, grandchildren and church. God bless |
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8 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94182 | ||
Graceful Super! I just didn't want your testimony to be damaged by using resources that weren't yours to use. EdB |
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9 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94186 | ||
A lesson I learned a long time ago. If even a pencil is pocked that is not yours, Satan has an occasion to ACCUSE. God bless |
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10 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | EdB | 94190 | ||
Graceful Thankfully because of the Blood the accusation falls on deaf ears. EdB |
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11 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94192 | ||
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