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1 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | Morant61 | 9018 | ||
Greetings Sharp! I'm really not trying to be a wise guy, but would you clarify what you were trying to say in your last post? The only part I really followed was your first paragraph. You said: "I never said baptism produces repentance, it follows repentance. Maybe we should take a step back. Is repentance essential to salvation?" I never said that you thought baptism produced repentance. What you seem to be saying, based on Acts 2:38, is that repentance plus baptism produces salvation! But, I like your idea of taking a step back, so let me summarize where I stand on this issue. When someone repents, they are saved - Rom. 10:13. This salvation is not earned in any way. It is based entirely upon the completed work of Christ at Calvary. If we stopped at this point, that person would still be completely and totally saved. This is what I mean when I say that baptism is not essential to salvation. I don't mean that baptism is unimportant or unnecessary. I simply mean that baptism does not in any way contribute to our salvation. After a person is saved, that person has an obligation to obey Christ and Scripture. That person should be baptized. That person should read their Bible. That person should attend church. That person should pray. That person should share their faith with others. However, none of these activities make them a Christian. This is the point that I have been trying to get a clear answer about. Do you believe that baptism is essential to salvation? If a person is not baptized, are they still saved? To say that baptism is essential to salvation makes Eph. 2:8-9 false. If you will clarify the point of your last post, I will try to respond better. Thanks for the discussion and your sweet spirit! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | sharp | 9039 | ||
My main point is John the Baptist who as the for runner of Christ was " To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins," according to Luke 1:77 linked remission of sins with baptism. As peter did on the day of Pentecost and Paul said of his conversion when Annias told him to arise and be baptised, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. There are enough scriptures that mention baptism and when understood we know when a referance would include it when not mentioned specifically. The epistles are letters to believers, therefore everything would not need be spelled out every time. To get the complete story of Paul's we have to compare every account that is given in the scriptures, it is different with any other subject or topic that we study in the Bible. When some says their going somewhere they normally do not take time mention every detail of the process because thy are generally understood.(get in car, start car, put car in gear, ect.) We must grasp what the scriptures mean by works, (the bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling) because we do not earn salvation nor do we keep it by works. I have no problem with Eph. 2:8-9, grace is the enabling power of God in our lives. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Faith is the gift of God stated here, through indicates action not just mental acceptance. Anything we would try to do to please God our own way would be our works or even scripture based without faith would be vain works. We see Paul speaking in Acts chpt. 26. Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Paul states that he preached right after his conversion that people should repent,turn to God and do works meet for repentance. Sounds like John the Baptist telling the Pharisees to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. I relize the general belief on this forum is against what I stand for but truth is always truth I must proclaim the whole council of God. Sharp |
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3 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | Morant61 | 9055 | ||
Greetings Sharp! Thanks for clarifying your post for me. I do appreciate the discussion and I appreciate your gracious attitude. Obviously we don't see eye to eye on this issue! However, that is what makes debate fun and informative. You shared your position and I shared mine. Unless something new comes up, I guess this would be a good stopping point for this particular discussion. I look forward to interacting with you on other issues. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | sharp | 9098 | ||
Thank you for the discussion. Sharp P.S. My prayer, and I hope everyone's, is that all who get involved with the Word of God follow Paul's directions in 2Tim.2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." |
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