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1 | Are we saying the same thing? | Matt 7:13 | sharp | 8810 | ||
Yes baptism is important, but it is part of salvation not just something that we do later. The baptism of the Holy Ghost is part of salvation also it is the Spirit that raises us into our new life. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. Also called gift in the scpritures. In 1Cor. Paul said, if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are none of his. Sharp | ||||||
2 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | Morant61 | 8823 | ||
Greetings Sharp! Thanks for the response! Here lies the concern that I think most on the forum, including myself, have. Scripture makes it very clear that salvation is by faith, not faith plus baptism. So I ask my original questions about Acts 2:38 again! I would appreciate it if you would respond to these original points: I have been following this thread with interest. Is baptism a necessary for salvation? You seem to be arguing that it is based upon Acts 2:38, "Peter replied, ‘‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Thus, you must be taking the phrase "for the forgiveness of your sins" as expressing the result of repentance and baptism. However, there are three very good reasons to avoid this interpretation of this verse. 1) The rest of Scripture does not make baptism necessary for salvation, including Acts. Consider the following verses from Acts where forgiveness is mentioned and notice that not one of them links forgiveness with baptism. a) Acts 5:31 - "God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel." b) Acts 10:43 - "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." c) Acts 13:38-39 - ‘‘Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." d) Acts 26:18 - "to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me." Notice that none of these other verses in Acts tie baptism in with the forgiveness of sins. If baptism were essential to salvation, you would think that it would be mentioned in these other verses as well. 2) There are reasons to believe that "for the forgiveness of sins" does not express result, but rather expresses the ground or reason for baptism. The preposition translated as ‘for’ in Acts 2:38 is sometimes used in this way. Consider the following examples and notice that two of them involve baptism (additional evidence that Acts 2:38 should be translated as "on the basis or grounds of the forgiveness of your sins): a) Matthew 3:11 - "I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire." b) Matthew 12:41 - "The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here." Allow me to address Mt. 12:41 first. The phrase "repented at the preaching of Jonah" uses the same preposition (eis) as does Acts 2:38. Obviously, the preaching of Jonah was the basis of their repentance, not the other way around. The other example illustrates the same thing and it involves baptism. In Mt. 3:11, baptism did not produce repentance. Rather, repentance was the grounds for baptism. 3) Finally, there is evidence in Acts 2:38 that the middle clause (involving baptism) may be a parenthetical statement. The command to repent is plural. The command to be baptized is singular. This would seems to indicate some break in the chain of thought. If this is the case, the phrase "for the remission of sins" may not even belong with the command to be baptized. No one would debate with you that baptism is important to a believer. However, I just can’t see that baptism is necessary for salvation. There are only a couple of debated Scriptures that even seem to make that case, while the vast majority of Scriptures make it abundantly clear that salvation is through faith alone. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | melchizedekau | 8867 | ||
Hello Tim what i dont understand is that. i know it is by grace we are saved not of works... and we are saved by faith in Christ. why did Jesus say we had to be born of water and Spirit. and works and faith are dead without each other and the chuch was commanded YES commanded to be baptised into the death and resurection of Jesus for the repentance of sins. we have to follow Jesus in obedience .YIC | ||||||
4 | Why do so few Scriptures mention baptism | Matt 7:13 | Hank | 8875 | ||
Tim, I believe that much of the confusion and misinterpretation about baptism being essential for salvation finds its genesis in our human tendency to think that we must "do something" to earn our salvation. We are conditioned to think that we receive nothing, materially or spiritually, unless we work for it and earn it. God's grace in granting us salvation is not a payday we receive for being good or doing good deeds. We somehow feel that in carrying out the commandment to be baptized we have, in some measure, done something toward securing our salvation, when in fact baptism is the result of, the outward manifestation of, our salvation, not the cause of it. The Scriptures show this and teach it clearly, as you have amply demonstrated. --Hank | ||||||