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1 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64930 | ||
In Acts, speaking in tongues was an outward sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, for the Apostles did it first on the day of Pentecost when there was a multitude from every nation under heaven, Acts 2.5,6. Please read 1 Corinthians 12-14. Spiritual gifts had a purpose and that purpose is gone. Speaking in tongues today is not what it was then, a known language AND if you speak in a tongue that nobody understands, who gets edified? 1 Cor 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 1 Cor 14:28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. The above passage teaches that tongues are not to be used unless there are more than one speaking and then only if there is an interpreter. 1 Corinthians 14 speaks a great deal about the proper use of this gift. 1 Cor 13:8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 1 Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 1 Cor 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. This passage teaches that gifts will end. There are other passages that teach the purpose of miracles was to confirm the word of God. The last book of the New Testament was not completed until around 95-96 AD. The first letter to the Corinthians was written 40 years prior to that. When Paul says, "For we know in part and we prophesy in part", could this not mean that the full revelation of God's word has not been delivered yet and that purpose of miracles was still to confirm what was spoken? Ezekiel, gifts of the Holy Spirit did exist and served their purpose in God's grand scheme of things. They no longer exist today. Speaking in tongues is prevalent because it is easy to imitate. Scripture teaches that the tongues in the New Testament were known languages. Tongues today is nothing more than gibberish. If one gift was still active wouldn't they all be? Do you know of anyone who has given us any new revelation through prophesying? Have you read in the news of anyone being raised from the dead after four days in a tomb? Please be careful in what you choose to believe. May God bless you with His truth! |
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2 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | glory777 | 64969 | ||
FTimA- I see in your profile you believe denominationalism is of the devil. Does that mean anyone who is not of the denomination you believe is of the devil? If that is your theory, I question whether this is the place for you. There are other viewpoints on many denominational issues in this forum, and those of us who have been involved in the forum have respect for each other and their denominational disagreements. The main thing we will be judged on is our belief in Jesus Christ and that is the MAIN purpose of the forum, I believe. The other is to give clarity to scripture. If you belong to a particular church, you probably believe in what the prevailing attitude in that church believes scripture to mean. You will find different viewpoints here, and respect is given for others, as long as Jesus Christ is glorified. I can find disclaimers for everything you have written (look up tongues in the search box) but no one who doesn't believe it is written for today will believe, just as no one who does believe will agree with what you have said. And, ultimately, will it make a difference? You say none are active today, I say they all are active. Prophesying does not have to be a foretelling, but something the Lord feels the church needs to hear today, something in agreement with His word that is relevent to that particular time that needs to be addressed. If tongues, at that time, was a known language, why would they need an interpreter? And when the perfect is come, - I haven't seen yet. The perfect is when we are seeing the Lord face to face. Then the cloudiness will be gone. debbie |
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3 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64972 | ||
What did God say to Adam and Eve in the Garden? Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" 4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! This is a classic example of someone taking what God DID SAY and twisting it to fit their own purpose. Satan knew very well what he was doing and he knows what he is doing today, causing men to twist the true meaning of scripture in order to promote a teaching that does not align with the word of God. Denominationalism is not the sin. Teaching what the word of God does not teach is the sin. I agree that the statement in my profile is very coarse and have since removed it, but that doesn't make it any less true. The bible is our only guide. I feel and firmly believe that God intended it to reveal only one truth, His truth. You may disagree with what I say. You may not approve of what I profess. Each time I post I do my best to put scripture before personal belief. It is the scripture that supplies my personal belief. It is my prayer that we all, you and I, do as the Bereans did and (Acts 17:11)"receive the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." |
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4 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | stjones | 64975 | ||
Greetings, FTimA; Are you not able to see that some on this Forum might consider your teaching about spiritual gifts an example of "someone taking what God DID SAY and twisting it to fit their own purpose"? Other Christians, reading other passages of God-breathed Scripture, might conclude that your posts "promote a teaching that does not align with the word of God". Like it or not, Scripture has to be interpreted. If Peter and Paul disagreed on points of doctrine, what hope have we 2000 years later to agree on every reading and every interpretation? Surely you don't believe that every passage in the Bible is easily and obviously harmonized with every other passage? Spiritual gifts and baptism, for example, are the subject of multiple seemingly contradictory passages. Does God contradict himself? Of course not. So we must interpret these passages in light of all Scripture, we must struggle to bring it all into a harmonious whole. Denominations exist because imperfect people arrive at different conclusions - and every denomination can show how they think all these seemingly disparate pieces fit together to represent God's intent. If you truly believe that "The bible is our only guide", then I assume you listen to no preachers, read no commentaries, listen to no songs, ignore all Bible footnotes, and avoid all Christian media. To do otherwise would be to hear God's word tainted by the perception, interpretation, thought, experience, and fallenness of someone other than God. But that is not the church that God ordained. God ordained a church made up of sinners, often messy and contentious. He gave us each other, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit. What he did not give us is a certification. He provided no means to get an "Approved by God" stamp that we can affix to our teaching, our theology, our congregation, our denomination, or our posts to the Forum. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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5 | Spirtual Gifts | Matt 7:13 | FTimA | 64996 | ||
Yes, I agree with what you are saying. The things I say about others could very well be turned against me. Paul and Peter did not disagree on points of doctrine, Peter's behavior conflicted with doctrine. As it says in the scripture... Gal 2:11 But when Cephas (Peter, fta) came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13 The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? When truth is discussed, especially biblical truth, only one answer is right. Only one answer is the truth. Scripture is not interpreted, it is understood (1 Cor 14:15). 2 Pet 1:20 states, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. These are not men's words we are reading in the bible, they are God's words. God has an intended meaning behind them and this meaning is truth. You say, "If you truly believe that "The bible is our only guide", then I assume you listen to no preachers, read no commentaries, listen to no songs, ignore all Bible footnotes, and avoid all Christian media. To do otherwise would be to hear God's word tainted by the perception, interpretation, thought, experience, and fallenness of someone other than God." Actually, I do all of these things, but I compare it to MY understanding of scripture and pray to God always that He will lead me to His truth. No, he did't give us a certification, so to speak. But he did command us to "search the scriptures daily", "study to show thyself approved", etc. Thank you for your comments. |
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