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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Hank | 34659 | ||
Good post, Raven! No one yet has even been able to define what they really mean by the word "moderation" when they apply it to the volume of alcohol that is "safe" to consume. I have known many people who said they were moderate drinkers, and I have seen many of these same people get as drunk as fiddlers on a regular basis. There is a wide amount of pretense, denial, and refusal to look squarely at the facts to be found among drinkers and proponents of drinking. They are either ignorant of or simply choose to ignore the darker sides of alcohol consumption: the carnage on our highways, the broken homes and orphaned children, the serious health damage, the economic losses, the pain and misery inflicted upon both the user of alcohol and his friends and family. The pat answer always is, "Oh, but you are talking about the abuse of alcohol, not the use of it." But those who take this position are at a loss to define the line at which use becomes abuse. And perhaps the crucial question we should ask (and especially Christians) is not, "How much alcohol consumption is moderate and "safe"? but "Why do I feel I want to drink, or indeed need to drink, in the first place? For Christians in particular, is there truly a void in our lives that we need to fill with alcohol? If there is, that Christian had better get alone with God and do serious business with Him! --Hank | ||||||
2 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | srbaegon | 34666 | ||
Hank, et al. I've heard moderation defined as one glass of wine or two beers per day. How much do I consider moderation? I make it a practice to have no more than two glasses (usually one) per occasion. And the occasions average 4-5 times per year. The reason I have wine is because I like the taste. That's all. To be honest, there is no way to Biblically defend abstaining from alcohol. It cannot be done. Steve |
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3 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Hank | 34676 | ||
Steve, total abstinence from alcohol cannot be defended by Scripture, and I have never said that it can be. There can, however, be no serious doubt that Scipture in no uncertain terms proscribes drunkenness. My position on abstention is born less of theological concepts about the use of alcohol than of medical and experiential considerations. The medical reasons are exemplified in my post in which I quoted Dr. Rex Russell; the experiential, in my dealings with a number of problem drinkers in my lifetime thus far. Why play around with a substance that does neither the body nor the mind any good, is toxic, addictive, potentially hazardous, and a possible stumbling block to the Christian's witness to others? I hold neither you nor others in less esteem if you choose an occasional glass of wine; I do not pronounce judgment upon you. At the same time, I have chosen not to imbibe in alcohol because, in addition to the reasons I've heretofore stated, I can find no time or place in my life in which alcohol intensifies the joy of living that I find in simply being merely a Christian. --Hank | ||||||
4 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | srbaegon | 34679 | ||
Hank, I can agree with this. Have a good day. Steve |
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