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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Mommapbs | 34655 | ||
Greeting Tim! I tried to answer your question as you presented it however, after reading the following posts, it appears that the issue has become devisive. We are a diverse group with different "convictions" about what is "right." In the end, I want what God wants for me - so drinking is a personal choice based on a conviction of the Holy Spirit. Anytime we try to superimpose what God has given for us upon another, I believe we are entering into the area called "legalism." I have cut a post and altered it to express my views: Quite frankly, if we spent as much time letting Jesus reign in our lives rather than try to control our lives (or the lives of others) by following a bunch of rules, we wouldn’t have the time to engage in legalism. Why do we try to justify something that is so destructive in the lives of so many? Thousands die each year from causes directly related to legalism, thousands die each year from causes indirectly related to legalism. Thousands of innocence lives are destroyed each year by legalism, thousands of innocence lives are destroyed each year indirectly by legalism. Does any of this seem like a good thing? Something we should try to justify? Follow rules if you must but don’t try to justify legalism using the Bible. In the end, I guess we will all have to wait to see what kind of "aged wine" God serves at the Wedding Banquet of the Lamb! Blessings, Mommapbs |
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2 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Hank | 34663 | ||
Mommapbs, I'm not entirely sure I understand your post, so I don't really know whether to agree or disagree. But if my take of it is anywhere near what you meant by it, I think I disagree with it in general and with at least one part of it in particular. I am referring to your statement: "...drinking is a personal choice based on a conviction of the Holy Spirit." I can't agree with that. Suppose I make MY personal choice to drink and by indulging in drink I run into difficulties -- in my family life, for example, or in the effectiveness of my Christian witness -- can I justify MY actions by what the Holy Spirit convicted me to do and therefore blame any consequent problems upon HIM? I don't believe this argument holds water, wine or any other liquid. Moreover, I don't see how legalism quite fits the context here. Perhaps it does, and I'm too obtuse to see where it does. --Hank | ||||||
3 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Mommapbs | 34671 | ||
Greetings Hank and EdB! Call me an old button pusher! Thanks for your response EdB - You KNOW I was "stirring things up!" Just as alcohol pushes your (justifiably so)hot buttons, legalism pushes mine. I don't believe in "cheap grace." There is a cost of discipleship. Being led by the Spirit is not the same as being led by the letter of the law. Jesus came to set us free from that, to choose to live a life with Him. And yes, as ourbodies are the temples He resides in, we have an awesome responsibility to "decorate" it a way that will be pleasing to Him. Obviously, God's Word is our guide and when we are determined to walk with Him, He will show us what is pleasing or acceptable to Him. I'm not going to condemn a Christian brother or sister because they choose to drink or not drink. Certainly I agree with you that ANY behavior or choice which diminishes the glory of Jesus in me is wrong (but I also include a legalistic attitude here for I experienced the results of this personally) Is the Holy Spirit incapable of showing me what is pleasing to Him? Does he need any help? I think you are pushing the envelope, albeit in jest or not, by suggesting that liberty in Christ is license. Respectfully in Him, Mommapbs |
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