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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | EdB | 34675 | ||
Mommapbs I will try to shelf my past sarcasm on this subject as being unbecomming in a Christian. Let us reason. Would God want to partake of something that has proven to harm the body? Would the Holy Spirit lead us to something detrimental to our well being? Does God or Jesus receive any glory by us partaking? 1 Cor. 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. Now in the above verse we see all things are lawful but not all things are profitable. We know alcohol has adverse effects on the body. Hank listed many of them in his post. If it be not profitable why do it? In fact if it is detrimental why even consider it? Why suggest the Holy Spirit would not prevent us from using it? Back to the verse, “All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.” What has more potential of mastering us that alcohol? As Hank stated in one of his post alcohol and the mastery it has over people have destroyed so many lives, why do we even want to go there? Why would the Holy Spirit not try to keep us from temptation? Why do we try to justify something that is so destructive? To show we have liberty? Tell that to the children whose father won’t be home tonight because of alcohol. To prove the anti-alcohol group wrong at the cost of removing a caution or warning that may have been keeping a person from being involved and destroyed by it? To prove we have been given freedom at the cost of those that are enslaved or may become enslaved to it? To all those that support alcoholic wine what is your reason? Which of the above do you feel is so important you would risk the consequences so evident in the use of alcohol? Help me understand why it is so important that everyone be convinced that the wine of the Bible was alcoholic and therefore we have a virtual go ahead. Why you are convinced that the Holy Spirit would not convict of us of doing something so detrimental to our person and body? Help me understand why alcohol is to be used but cocaine is not. Help me understand why the Holy Spirit would want us to be involved with it. I just don’t see it so please help me see your reason. EdB |
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2 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Reformer Joe | 34683 | ||
Ed: "Would God want to partake of something that has proven to harm the body? Would the Holy Spirit lead us to something detrimental to our well being? Does God or Jesus receive any glory by us partaking?" Yes, bad question, and yes. God receives the glory when we partake of the wine of communion. Until the temperance movement of the 19th century got its claws into the sacrament, wine was used almost exclusively since the first century. And God indeed receives the glory when it is administered rightly. Wine is only detrimental to our well-being when it is used in excess. The same can be said of food. The sin in Scripture is not alcohol use, but alcohol abuse. Might I suggest that our views are a little bit colored by our culture? In Mediterranean countries even today, wine is used as a common beverage just about every day in every family that can afford it. Yes, there are alcoholics there, but there are plenty of people who still partake of wine responsibly. Again, abuse is the sin, not use. Jesus drank wine. Jesus changed water into wine. It was NOT unfermented grape juice. As one of my favorite writers, Douglas Wilson, put it, to claim that the first-century beverage of the Lord's Table was grape juice is as silly as saying that Paul wore a necktie when he preached. You write: "Help me understand why it is so important that everyone be convinced that the wine of the Bible was alcoholic..." Because it is the truth. What amazes me is the Herculean attempts to make it seem as if it weren't fermented. Why is it so important that everyone be convinced that the wine of the Bible WASN'T alcoholic? Now let's be clear: I am not saying that everyone MUST drink alcohol. I rarely drink at all myself. I also acknowledge that there are times when it would be detrimental to drink (not for myself, but for the conscience of another). However, it is an extra-biblical, legalistic sin to forbid the drinking of wine; and I would prefer to use wine in communion, simply because it is what Christ consecrated for the celebration. "Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." --1 Corinthians 10:31 --Joe! |
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3 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Mommapbs | 34697 | ||
Well stated Reformer Joe! I'm getting weary of this discussion. Mommapbs |
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