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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Tim Sheasby | 34630 | ||
Amen!!! I believe churches today have done what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for doing. In the 1800s the temperance movement started teaching that all alcohol was evil. I personally give them the benefit of the doubt here. I believe their intentions were good. Their reasoning may have been that since drunkenness was condemned by God then if you abstain from alcohol totally then there is no chance of ever becoming drunk. The result, however, is that instead of learning the biblical principle of moderation the church adopted the acetic principle of abstention. I read somewere that alcoholism statistics amongst people from alcohol drinking culture, like the Jews, French, Italians etc. is much lower than from cultures that condemn alcohol consumption (most of Protestant America). If we had a balenced view of alcohol and if we had been brought up in a culture that accepted alcohol consumption but still condemned drunkenness, we probably would have no problem with using wine for the Lord's supper. Alcoholics Anonymous has changed the biblical sin of drunkenness into a disease that is 'caught' from that evil alcohol. The man who first described alcoholism, Jelineck, said that alcoholism resulted from at least 14 years of alcohol ABUSE. Alcoholics are not born according to this evidence. They work very hard to get where they are. Let's go back to Bible definitions. My father in law is not an alcoholic -- he is a drunkard. Somehow being called an alcoholic has lost the stigma that being called a drunkard had. So we dilute the word of God. In His Service Tim Sheasby |
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2 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | EdB | 34651 | ||
Tim Alcohol is made by the process of fermentation. As a person that has watched fermentation I have observed it as nothing less than a chaotic bubbling, churning, frothing process that takes place. With the results coming from the waste of the process. Almost a perfect and total description of sin in a person’s life. I believe this is why leaven from the bread and leaven from of the fruit of the vine was to be excluded from the Passover meal. God is a God of order and purpose, we could say He is not one to let things just happen. Yet we want to contribute to Him as something being good, alcohol born out of chaos. Why? Is it to justify our desire? Quite frankly if we spent as much time witnessing to others about Jesus as we did pondering if we should drink or not we wouldn’t have the time to drink. Why do we try to justify something that is so destructive in the lives of so many? Thousands die each year from causes directly related to alcohol, thousands die each year from cause indirectly related to alcohol. Thousands of innocence lives are destroyed each year by alcohol, thousands of innocence lives are destroyed each year indirectly by alcohol. Does any of this seem like a good thing? Something we should try to justify? Drink if you must but don’t try to justify it using the Bible. EdB |
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