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1 | What is 'the fruit of the vine'? | Matt 26:29 | Tim Sheasby | 34786 | ||
The wine of their day was, according to my research, very strong -- well into the high teens percentage wise and possibly higher. My friend, Evelyn Mundell, wrote to a rabbinic professor at one of the universities in Israel and was told that indeed the wine of Jesus time was in this 16-18 percent range. Although YOU have not managed to do this does not in ANY way prove it was not done. Wine making was a highly developed skill in Jesus time to the point that by Jewish oral tradition (Mishna and Talmud) a wine merchant had to be able to guarantee his wine would not go off. Furthermore, if their wine was only 1 or 2 percent, as you maintain, it would have been impossible for them to get drunk on it at all. I simply want to know what Jesus had in his cup. My evidence shows it was a naturally fermented wine. The wines of the time were indeed intoxicating and that is why God laid down laws concerning abuse of wine and other strong drinks. Let's just use for the Lord's Supper what the Lord used. Who gave us the right to change it? In His Service Tim Sheasby |
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2 | Is there a command to use wine? | Matt 26:29 | Morant61 | 34805 | ||
Greetings Tim! I was thinking about this after we posted to one another the other day and I question came into my mind. Where does the Bible command anyone to use wine during the Lord's Supper? There are passages which talk about a cup, or the fruit of the vine, but there aren't any passage relating to the Lord's Supper which use any word for "wine". Further, even if we are to use it for the Lord's Supper, where is there a Scripture verse which either commands or allows us to use wine for other occasions - like at home? Just a thought! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Is there a command to use wine? | Matt 26:29 | heisthe1 | 34809 | ||
I'm still looking for the word grape juice in the bible, the fruit of vine is wine. yeah, yeah I heard all that logic, but how can you put new grape juice in old grape skins? I know this might ruffle someones feathers, but the fruit is WINE. Grape juice is a form of our blood, it has no effect, wine is the form of Jesus blood, it has power. But her comes wisdom, giving the now day abuse of alcohol do we temp the hand of fate! |
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4 | Is there a command to use wine? | Matt 26:29 | Morant61 | 34814 | ||
Greetings Heisthe1! Thanks for your response! I'm going to repost my previous word study on this issue. People don't seem to realize that there are about 15 different words in the Bible which are translated as 'wine'. Not one! Not even two! Some of these words only have one meaning! Some of these words have several meanings! I don't mind people having different opinions than mine on this issue, but I do wish that everyone who comments on this issue would first do the word studies. So, here we go: ************************************************ Old Testament Words 1) yayin (03196): This is the most common word in the Old Testament. It is used 140 times. It can refer to either a fermented or unfermented beverage. One example of a fermented beverage would be Gen. 9:21, where Noah became drunk. However, Jer. 40:10 uses this word to refer to the harvest of grapes, which is to be stored. One scholar, Dr. Robert Teachout, estimates that the word is used 71 times to refer to an unfermented juice and 70 times as a fermented beverage. 2) tiyrowsh (08492): This is the second most common word in the Old Testament. It is used 38 times. It always refers to a fresh pressed juice, with one possible exception. 3) shekar (07941): This word is used 23 times in the Old Testament. It seems to always refer to a fermented drink and it only used in two ways. The first is in condemnations and the second is in drink offerings (poured on the offering). 4) yeqeb (03342): This word is used 16 times and always refers to unfermented wine. It usually refers to the presses themselves or the fresh product of the presses. 5) Õashiyshah (0809): This word is used only 4 times. It is always translated by the KJV as a "flagon of wine." However, more modern translations translate it as "a raisin cake." Thus, it would refer to grapes themselves, not a beverage. 6) chamar (02562): This word is only used 6 times in the Old Testament. It is actually an Aramaic word. The context makes it difficult to decide how it is used. It seems to be used in both ways. It’s 2 occurances in Ezra probably refer to unfermented wine, while it’s 4 occurances in Daniel probably refer to fermented. 7) gath (01660): This word is only used 5 times. It always refers to the press itself. 8) mamcak (04469): Only used twice. Seems to always refer to a fermented drink. 9) cobeÕ (05435): Only used three times. Seems to refer to a fermented drink, but one which is soured or diluted. 10) chemer (02561): Only used twice. Always refers to unfermented fresh juice. 11) aciyc (06071): This word is used five times. It seems to refer to an unfermented sweetened or spiced drink, with one possible exception. New Testament Words 1) oinos (3631): This word is used 33 times in the New Testament. It is comparable to ‘yayin’ in that it can refer to either fermented or unfermented wine. The prime example being Mt. 9:17, where the fresh new wine is to be put into a new bottle to keep it from fermenting. 2) gleukos (1098): This word is only used in Acts 2:13. Some have said that since the crowd was accusing them of being drunk that this had to be a fermented wine. However, the crowd was mocking them and the word usually refers to a fresh pressed juice. It could have been that they had a reputation for only drink fresh pressed juice and the crowd was making fun of them for it. 3) paroinos (3943): This word is only used twice and both times in a prohibition against drinking. It most likely refers to a fermented beverage. 4) oinophlugia (3632): This word is only used in 1 Peter 4:3 and refers to an excess of wine that some of engaged in in their past lives as unbelievers. It most likely refers to fermented wine. Conclusion: It simply is not true that "wine" always refers to an alcoholic beverage. It can refer to grapes. It can refer to fresh juice. It can refer to strong drink. It has a wide range of meanings. There only a couple of things that we are sure about. 1) It is not spoken of in a positive light in Scripture. 2) Priests, Kings, and Nazarites were forbidden to drink it. 3) It is described in Scripture as a destroyer. 4) It has destroyed countless lives throughout history. 5) Scripture clearly forbids drunkenness. 6) No one knows how to define drunkenness. 7) It causes people to lose self-control, not become more Christ-like. In light of this evidence, I have chosen not to drink any alcohol whatsoever. I am not on a crusade to promote my position. However, I do get irritated at so many scholars who fail to do their homework and just assume that the word "wine" meant then what it means now! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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