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1 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | Tomret | 184128 | ||
Jonp, If you read both of my last two posts, you'll note that I said, "These are speculations, food for thought, I beleive in accordance with Acts 17:11." Searching the scriptures to see if they are true is considered a noble thing. And how else is one to search without speculating, considering all possibilities? I did not say Florus was definitely the two horned beast, but quoted another who did. I mentioned it as a possibility to speculate about. Can you explain in detail how you see anything about 2 rulers in verse 12? My speculation about Re.20:5 was not to prove any escalotological point. Indeed, the argument had nothing to do with ones interpretation of the 2nd coming. Regarding chronology, many traditional futurists I have read, cite in multiple places errors in the commonly used dating system. Anstey's seems most accurate to me. At http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/chron.html (not a preterist site) Agee cites scripture as validation, thus you can prove or disprove it yourself. Regarding Luke 21, your posts to me as well as others indicate our differences here are not reconcilable, so I think it pointless to revisit this. The primary difference in our views amounts to a period of about 2000 years. Not much - perhaps as little as 2 days - in God's infinite time. Tom |
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2 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | jonp | 184137 | ||
Hi, As I pointed out Revelation often gives its own key to what it is saying. In Revelation 17.12 the horns of a wild beast are declared to be rulers. Thus it seems clear that the same is true in chapter 13. The wild beast with two horns like a lamb probably indicates religious authorities who supported the wild beast (Caligula? Caligula's reign fits the details). They no doubt used conjuring to imitate the wonders described in Scripture. The two horns of a lamb contrast with the Lamb in Revelation 5. They are false prophets, even false Messiahs. Caligula especially had it in for the Jews, as he did for aristocrats. Both refused to worship him. In interpreting Revelation we must let it interpret itself not try to fit it into our theories. I note your surrender on the question of Luke's sequence of events. I did not expect that you would be able to answer it. I have never met any full preterite who could answer it in detail. That is why I am not a preterite although no doubt some would call me part preterite. With cordial best wishes Jonp | ||||||
3 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | Tomret | 184185 | ||
Jonp, I see in 13:1 a beast, the 7 heads of which represent the Roman emperers. 2This beast gets it's power, etc. from the dragon (drakon: dragon, serpent, name for Satan). 11The 2nd beast of this chapter is introduced. He spake as a dragon. I see in 13,14, and 15 plain statements of supernatural powers with no suggestion of conjuring. I beleive the entity described here to be the real drakon. The verses in 17 prior to verse 12 describe the first beast in 13 whose wound was healed. I beleive in 12 a new subject is introduced, the explanation of the 10 kings or rulers. Some have said they represent the rulers of the surrounding nations that aligned with Rome in their assault. Your note of my "surrender" is greatly exaggerated. You have often demonstrated an uncanny knack to read into my words that which was not said. Surrender? Never! Let me rephrase, you are adamant in your interpretation and I in mine so further debate is pointless.There is no surrender but an impasse. Since this thread is restricted from the home page I will now exit this thread. Jonp I beleive you to be sincerely devoted to the Lord. God bless you and best to you. Tom |
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