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1 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | jlhetrick | 183942 | ||
Hello coper44, I haven't participated in this particular thread but I have followed along and read each post with interest. I would like to quote from your original post and then offer some observation and suggestion. You wrote: "I'm aware that this line of thinking is called Preterism. I've been introduced to it rather recently and I can't disprove it. It has become an obsession with me and I would appreciate it if someone could shed some light on this subject and redirect me back to a more proper understanding of Scripture." In your own words you presented yourself (intentionally or unintentionally) as only having recently been exposed to the preterist view and apparently having little to go on. However, you unleash a string of posts (some quite long) that accurately represent the preterist view. So I, and I suspect others, are left wondering if you in fact posted your original with an agenda other than the one you stated; which was to "have light shed on this subject and redirect me back to a more proper understanding of Scripture." Are you simply regurgitating literature or do you actually have a much better learning of what you have only recently been introduced to than you suggested? In either case, you have not been truly open to the "shed light" others have offered as your stated intent suggested you would be. You also wrote: "I'm brand new to this forum so please let me know if I'm out of line with this question or if it's been asked and answered or if it's not allowed on this site." Your original question was not in and of itself "not allowed" on the forum, however, initiating a thread with a now apparent intent to push one's own view on a topic that is widely debatable and divisive is in violation of the terms of use of the Forum. Therefore, I might encourage you to put an end to your "obsession", at least on the forum. There is a sufficient amount of literature on the Market that will allow you to peck out the differences in the debate without having to push your debatable views on the bible study forum. One place to get a good look at all four of the major views of this issue is "Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary by Steve Gregg. I don't endorse the book necessarily as I own it but have not actually read it in it's entirety. I suggest it because of it's lay-out (Parallel) which makes it easy to consider the different views up close. Your cooperation will be much appreciated. God bless, Jeff |
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2 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | Coper44 | 183993 | ||
Jeff, Let me start by saying that you could not be more mistaken. And, you came off rather rude, which is really not necessary in this case. You said that since I originally stated that I had been recently introduced to preterism, and that I have accurately represented the preterist view, I must have an agenda other than the one I stated. I assure you I had no such agenda. I first heard of preterism about two years ago when I read a book by RC Sproul titled, “The Last Days According to Jesus”. It is an excellent book and I recommend it to anyone who is open-minded and searching for truth. Since he is a partial preterist it maintains a futurist perspective, but honestly deals with the issue. I finished it, and it raised many questions in my mind, but I didn’t begin researching the issue seriously until about a year ago. Since I’ve spent many years of my life under the teaching of Dispensationalism, I would consider one year “recent”. Over the past year, as I mentioned in earlier posts, I’ve become obsessed with this perspective. I honestly believe, and have not been persuaded otherwise here, that when one looks at this issue while considering the time-frame context, it is the correct view. It is true, “If your premise is off, your findings will be off”. I was prepared to be shown from Scripture that “my premise” was off. I have the book you recommended by Steve Gregg as well as a few other books on the issue. Gregg’s book does not sufficiently provide answers to the time-frame and audience-relevance issues that I’m looking for. My purpose for entering this forum was to interact with informed, and possibly even scholarly, believers who are familiar with this teaching. Since I’ve tried to present this view to local believers (including my own dad who is a pastor) and have been dismissed, avoided and even laughed at, I was searching for some open-minded thinkers who were not afraid to think “outside the box”, as it were (and apparently my search will continue elsewhere). When I made the comments about my lack of desire to appeal to councils, creeds and tradition, I was aware of the potential backlash. However, I did that in order to continue an interaction that is not possible with authors of commentaries or, for obvious reasons, church fathers. I wanted to hear from others in their own words. I tried to keep the focus of the discussion on the time-frame and audience-relevance perspective because of the tendency to divert the discussion into any and every direction, which would be counter productive to my pursuit. It appears to me now that those of you who are moderating this site (I assume you are a moderator), and a few others who have responded, may not be able to pursue this issue any further. Either you aren’t willing to step outside your “comfort zones”, or you are similar to those in the past who, when backed into a corner, choose to run. And that’s fine with me. Your statement that my view on this topic is divisive is typical of someone who is avoiding an issue to justify one’s own position. Eventually, it will catch up to you (and the others who are avoiding it) and you’ll have to face it. I may be wrong but I think preterism is only beginning to be noticed. With humility and love, Coper |
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3 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | stjohn | 183995 | ||
Puffed up humility |
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4 | Preterism refuted using Scripture alone? | Matt 16:28 | Coper44 | 183997 | ||
stjohn, How one faces a challenge reveals one's character. You have revealed much with your latest brief post. Coper |
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