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1 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | Coper44 | 183734 | ||
CDBJ, After you've expressed your views concerning the time-frame of the NT writers then we can discuss the details of his second coming. Again, Jesus said he would return to the generation that he was speaking to (notice how many times he addressed his comments to "you" in Matt. 24), he said that some of those standing before him would not die before he came (Matt. 16), and the other NT writers took their que from him and under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that his coming was imminent (near, soon, at hand etc.). I believe the writers of the new testament were true prophets because their prophecies came to pass. With respect, Coper |
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2 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | CDBJ | 183750 | ||
Hello Coper, Well if your synopsis is true then it should be a very easy matter to point out who the man of sin was? Let’s not even bother mentioning “Titus” since he didn’t fulfill any of the following prerequisites when he besieged Jerusalem. 2 Thes. 2:1-9 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, Since you suggest that the “we” always means those in existence at the time, I guess that the dating of the fall of Jerusalem must have been before AD 70 since Paul says the following. 1 Thes. 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. Records suggest that Paul was martyred in AD 67 something doesn’t quite fit. On the other hand, If “we” is rhetorical in certain places why can't it be rhetorical in other places? Is the entire book of Revelation disregarded by Preterits or only certain portions? CDBJ |
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3 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | Coper44 | 183922 | ||
CDBJ, You began by writing "...it should be a very easy matter to point out who the man of sin was?" I don't know about you but I haven't run across ANY "very east matter(s)" when it comes to eschatology. I really don't have an opinion as to the identity of the man of sin. I know for sure it wasn't Napoleon, Hitler, JFK, Kissinger or Reagan. Seriously, I think 2 Thess. 2:5,6 are telling. "5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time." The man of sin was relevant to them in their time and we may or may not discover who he was. 1 Thess. 4:15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. This does not seem unclear to me at all. Paul was simply saying "Those of us who are alive at His coming..." One thing that is precluded here is that Paul was saying ALL would die before the coming of the Lord as the futurist contends. This also lines up with our original passage: Matt. 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. Please explain how you fit the 1 Thess. 4:15 passage into your system. Coper |
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4 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | CDBJ | 183952 | ||
Greetings Coper, You are persistent in assuming that all the verses that have been presented to you are things that have happened in the past, which would be considered as “history”. My question, giving you the benefit of the doubt, was as follows. “Well if your synopsis is true then it should be a very easy matter to point out who the man of sin was”, since it would be of historical record. You answered me with the following. “I don't know about you but I haven't run across ANY "very east matter(s)" when it comes to eschatology.” Since it’s obvious that you don’t know the difference between “history” and “eschatology”, it looks to me like you’re in the process of chasing you’re proverbial tail, if you get my drift? The best, and “final, advice” that I can give you is to pick up a copy of the book, “The Sign”. ISBN 1-58134-232-2 That way we would at least be on the same page, as it were, or maybe we could even move on to another topic! 2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. CDBJ |
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