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1 | Why 70 A.D. and why predictions | Matt 16:28 | stjohn | 183933 | ||
Hi Tom: Thank you, so much, for your comments about the forum. I too am knew to this, and feel very much the same way. also I am sure that the long time users of this site appreciate your compliment as well, I think that it should be reflected to them. And there was no need to apologize, I, if any be guilty. it was I that was flippant. All respect to you sir. To start with, your observation of v,21 looks pretty good. But will you show me please, were it says that God, speaking in His heart, is making a promise? I am sure we can agree that God is good to His word. And I think that I would have to insist that the promise was made starting in chapter 9:9 . Also; may I add that back in v, 21 chapter 8. Where does it say destroy the earth? God says in His word many times that things are or will be cursed, but I don't know how that necessarily translates into destroy. Personally I have trouble seeing it that way. My point is, I cant say necessarily that God is talking here about destroy. at least not here any way. And also; if I may say, at the end of v 21, I would think that God, if He were making a blunt statement, "neither will I again smite any more every thing living," well I don't think He would have put a comma after "living ,". I think maybe He would have ended the sentence rite then and put a period. I don't know. what do you think? And, of corse God ends the sentence with, " as I have done". Well, what did He done? He done the earth with a FLOOD thats what He done. Any way, I hope you see my point. I am using the King James by the way. But just about any one would work here, I think there are many very good ones out there. Oh, I think I would rude indeed, and sorely remiss if i did not mention the NASB. Ok, now lets look at what Noah is seeing, lets picture what the earth might look like after a world flood, where, "every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground"...Baren wasted and dead every thing has ben destroyed as far as you can see, washed off nothing left but the..., (foundation).... Just a thought. I liked your definition for foundation too "the Divinely created forces of the universe that hold the earth and everything else in place.", very much by the way. I don't think (definition) is the right word. But any way, I like it very much. I also like what you said at the end of the paragraph, "In all fairness I must admit there are places where "for ever" is used symbolically for a long period of time instead of perpetual existence. Indeed, Strong's definition allows for this.".... For obvious reasons. Lets move on, your next point is that you failed to make your point in your previous post. actually your point was well taken. I think the fault lies with me. I did not do a very good job on that one. so; if I may I'd like to take another stab at it. My hunt and peck stile of typing and truly pathetic spelling skills (much of the time my spell check program cant even give me a clue!), some times I give up and restructure the sentence and it makes this a little tiring so I was trying to end quickly and turn in. But I digress... sorry. Ok, the point I should have made was this, that the prophecies you spoke of, although they spoke of things that would happen to specific places and in specific times in the OT, they were, if you please, two fold, in that they came to pass in the OT but they are also a picture for us of what is to come in Gods final judgment. And I can say very honestly, that used to really scare me especially the book of revelation, man my knees would really knock over that one. But as God's word became more and more real to me, and as the Spirt made God's love more and more real to my heart, I began to realize that the judgment was not for God's children, but for the world, and for sinful man. When I in the spirit read the story of the prodigal son; the father running to meet the son kissings him on the neck through tears of joy. And when I realized that was a picture of God and how much he loves us, and when in the word it says in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17, v,16, For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: v,17, Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the lord." WE can be sure that we have nothing to fear at all. Amen stj |
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2 | Why 70 A.D. and why predictions | Matt 16:28 | stjohn | 183934 | ||
Hello again Tom: the last note cut me off as I went over the limit, so I will finish here, sorry. Ok: Now; having said all that; (see #183933) lets look at matt.5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." The NASB uses "abolish" instead of fulfill. I don't Know if this is a better translation. I am not an expert in greek by any means, but i think it might help us to understand what our Lord is saying. "Fulfill", "The law and the prophets", I hope we can agree that no one; other then our lord Jesus, ever could fulfill the law, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and, I hope we can agree that our Lord jesus, certainly fulfilled all of the prophesies that were written about Him in the OT. And, as under the new covenant, we, now no longer under the law, we are now filled with God's Spirit, born again, we now have the law (also a fulfillment of prophesy) written on the tablets of our hearts. Well thats all for now, I pray we can continue the discussion. peas stj |
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3 | Why 70 A.D. and why predictions | Matt 16:28 | Tomret | 183962 | ||
Thanks stj for your generous comments. Your observations are very insightful. First let me note the Septuagint version of this verse: "8:21 And the Lord God smelled a smell of sweetness, and the Lord God having considered, said, I will not any more curse the earth, because of the works of men, because the imagination of man is intently bent upon evil things from his youth, I will not therefore any more smite all living flesh as I have done." The only difference I wish to note here is that instead of "said in His heart," He only "said" here indicating the words were spoken not communicated telepathically as I previously suggested. Promise does not appear in Gen. 8:21. As you noted previously, chapter 9 is a continuation and elaboration of verse 21 thus they are linked together. You correctly note the word destroy does not appear here. Indeed the flood did not destroy the earth but the inhabitants of it save those on the ark. As for the comma you mention, the original Hebrew had no punctuation - or vowels for that matter.Now, I arrived at these verses seeking evidence that the NT interpretations of many futurists indicating vaporization of the earth and dissolving of the heavens is in error. Even though I admitted for ever could be a long time as well as eternal, I still take Ecc. 1:4 to mean eternal. I agree about OT events being twofold foretelling the final judgement, but the question is when. I think on 1 Thess. 4:16-17 we will have much agreement. I beleive this absolutely describes the saints being taken up to be with the Lord. But, again we will have differences on when. Indulge me for a moment and consider the possibility that the 2nd coming occured in 70AD as you read the following: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Preterism/stevens-ed_p_01.html : Silence Demands a Rapture, which brought me back to the first question I had when first exposed to the preterist view - why did no one make any mention of the judgement after the fact? For several decades after 70AD virtually nothing was written. It even occured to me then that a literal rapture would account for it, but all that I read from the modern preterist writers saw being caught up as symbolic. Now this writer has convinced me the rapture, being caught up in the air, was literal. If all true Christians were taken up, there was no one left to explain the scriptures, so succeeding generations were left to try to interpret them. With those that were left being of the persuasion that their Messiah - a worldly warrior king - was yet to come, how long was it until anybody even tried to understand the Gospels and words of the Apostles? Did this future expectation influence their interpretation? And consider their plight - the NT was not in a book form. They had no concordance or commentaries or internet. This could explain the multitude of interpretations we have. Now to your last point, does not "all prophesy" include the coming in judgement? If we are under the new law, does that not verify the judgement is past? Tom |
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