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1 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | jonp | 183735 | ||
Hi Coper Thank you for your question about Revelation 3.10. Firstly we should point out that 'about to come on the whole world' is an interpretive translation. Literally it is 'is coming on the whole world' (no time frame). But this is talking about the hour of testing not the Parousia. Such hours of testing have come again and again through history. It certainly cannot refer to the destruction of Jerusalem for that was of very limited effect, however intense it might have been for those involved. This trial was to be widespread. 'On the whole world' was looking from John's perspective of the world of his day. It was hyperbole. Compare 'from every nation under heaven' in Acts 2.5 and 'your faith is proclaimed in all the world' in Romans 1.8 neither of which can be taken literally. John was talking of widespread trials and testings. Certainly the first century Christians experienced such an 'hour of trial'. Christians through the ages have experienced such hours of trial. Many are similarly experiencing an hour of trial today. To all such Jesus said 'I am coming soon'. But as Peter makes clear 'soon' in Gods timetable can be a thousand years, and we can add two thousand years. For with God that is but 'two days' (2 Peter 3.3-10). The same applies to 'the last hour' in 1 John 2.18. It is likening history to a day and saying that we are in the final hour. But again we need to remember that with God an hour can be what we see as a long time. Just as the church has been in 'the last days' for two thousand years (Hebrews 1.1-3: Acts 2.17). Best wishes jonp | ||||||
2 | Still not convinced preterism is false | Matt 16:28 | Coper44 | 183920 | ||
jonp, The KJV-NIV-Greek Interlinear I have shows Rev. 3:10 as "...being about to come..." You say "this is talking about the hour of testing not the Parousia." However, wasn't the hour of testing to lead up to the soon coming of Christ John just told them about earlier? I'm glad you brought up the 2 Pet. 3:3-10 passage. You wrote, "But as Peter makes clear 'soon' in Gods timetable can be a thousand years, and we can add two thousand years. For with God that is but 'two days'". This is another passage where it seems the futurist misses the point. Lets Look at the passage: 2Pet 3:1This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation." 5For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. I believe that Peter was looking BACK to the days of Noah (about two thousand years I believe) when he said that "one day is as a thousand years". He was telling them how to handle the scoffers that would come in the last days, in which they were living (Heb. 1), saying: "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation." He was comforting those who might become discouraged as the mocking and the persecution increased. It makes no sense for Peter to tell them that Christ may come soon or He may come two thousand years in the future. Coper |
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