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1 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 26385 | ||
First, I'm not going to quote the verses. I will provide the references so that you may follow along in your own Bible. I'll be utilizing the NASB translation. Genesis 6:1-4 let's get into the heart of the matter. Namely, who are the "sons of God." They are not angels, nor spirit beings possessing the human bodies. Turn to Hebrews chapter 1. This chapter gives one of the best and most important speaches about angels. Amazingly, I have never heard anyone refer to this passage when talking about the "Sons of God' being angels. Notice in verse 4, angels come into the picture. The writer begins by talking about God sending Jesus, then shifts to angels. in verse 5, The writer asks if God ever claimed the angels as his sons. he is asking these questions in a manner in which the answer is obvious. No! As he continues to compair Jesus to angels, he says, that angels are servants, ministers, have no power or authority over Jesus and mankind, and have no bodies. In verse 14, he says that angels are spirits, sent out to render service to the ones inheriting salvation. This passage removes the possibility of angels taking human form to mate with humans. Now, turn to Matthew 22:23-33. This is one of the tests put to Jesus by the Sadducees. This time, they ask Jesus about a woman who has had seven husbands. When she dies, to which brother will she be wife of in heaven? Jesus then answers there is no marriage nor the giving of marriage in heaven. They will be as the angels are. Basically that angels never marry nor are given in marriage. Therefore, angels did not come to earth and mate with humans. let's take a look at Job 1:6; and 2:1, both refer to the "sons of God" gathering themselves before God. Satan comes among them and the subject turns to Job. Now, because Job immediately becomes the topic of the discussion. This leads me to think that the "sons of God" in these passages aren't angel. I think that it is in reference to the descendants of Seth. What does nearly every Christian in todays world do on Sundays or Saturdays? Worship God. Because the "Sons of God" are mentioned twice as gathering before God, this leads me to think that it was a regular occurrance, and a time of worship. Turn to Genesis 4. What are Cain and Abel doing? They are making offerings to the Lord. The tone and language is such that God is there before them. So. in Job, it is reasonable and likely that the "Sons of God" are those of the line of Seth. Concidering that Job was believed to have been written during the time before Noah just strengthens my thoughts. Jude 6-7 is often quoted for supporting the notion that Angels came to earth and married humans. The only part of Jude that is referring to angels is Jude 6. Jude 7 is talking about those who he referenced in the earlier parts of the chapter, and starts a whole new context. The context isn't angels, but those who have defied the Lord and revolted against him. The only reference to angels is where they left their natural domain. Upon leaving, God chained them in darkness to be kept there until the day of Judgement. Therefore, they aren't a factor. There isn't support for angels marrying humans. Therefore, with no scriptural backing, I reject the idea that angels are the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6. So, who are they. The decendants of Seth. Also, the "sons of God" carries a meaning of a person who is obedient to the will of God. Before I continue with this thought, it is pertanent to remind you that the Bible ultimately points to Jesus. In fact, all of creation points to Jesus Christ. Jesus is the focus point of the universe. With that said, it is little wonder that Jesus is called the "Son of God". Demons, Satan, Peter, and many others called him that. Jesus even made the claim. It is my belief that the Genesis 6:1-4 passage of the "Sons of God" is a prophecy. it is prophecying that the Messiah, called "The Son of God", will come from the lineage of Seth. In Luke 3:23-38, it shows that Jesus came from the line of Seth. Also, It is prophecying the coming church. Turn to Romans 8. Beginning in Romans 8:12, notice what Paul says about the "Sons of God". He says, in verse 14, that those who are lead by the Holy Spirit are the Sons of God. Then in verses 15-16 that we are the children of God, adopted through the Holy Spirit. Look at 1 John 3:1-12. Here John begins with the same declaration that Paul stated in Romans. "We are the Children of God." In fact, all through out the New Testament, we are called this. It is my belief that Genesis 6:1-4 points to us as well as the Christ. In a sense, we, through adoption, carry on the lineage of Seth and Jesus Christ. I do appologize for the length. Jesusman |
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2 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | kalos | 32507 | ||
The Nephilim in the Bible are "people of great size and strength. The Hebrew word means 'fallen ones.' In men's eyes they were the 'mighty men...of old, men of renown,' but in God's eyes they were sinners ('fallen ones') ripe for judgment." (Zondervan NASB Study Bile, p. 12) . . . "Gen 6:4 Nephilim. From a root meaning 'to fall'; i.e., to fall upon others because they were men of strength (only other use of this Hebrew word is in Num 13:33) Evidently they were in the earth before the marriages of Gen 6:2, and were not the offspring of those marriages from which came the *mighty* men (military men) and *men of renown * (of wealth or power)". (p. 16, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1976, 1978) . . . "Gen 6:1-4 *sons of God.* The 'sons of God' may mean God's created, supernatural beings, who were no longer godly in character (6.3). Some commentators believe, however, that this expression refers to the 'godly line' of Seth and that 'daughters of humans' (v. 4 in the NRSV) refer to women from the line of Cain. Most likely the phrase refers to those descendants of Seth who trusted in the Lord but whose children intermarried with women descended from Cain. Those marriages were not with angels then, but between godly and ungodly human families. Angels neither marry nor are given in marriage (Mt 22:30), so that this verse hardly applies to them. ... *Nephilim* are strong, violent, tyrannous men of great wickedness. It may well be that the explanation of these verses has been lost to us." (NRSV Harper Study Bible, Harold Lindsell, Ph.D., D.D., Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan, 1991) |
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3 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 32559 | ||
(1) "Sons of God" is interpreted as referring to men, (a) to sons of the nobles, who married daughters of the common people. This is the view of many Jewish authorities, who hold that it is justified by the use of 'elohim in the sense of "judges" (Ex 21:6; 22:8 f, etc.). But this cannot be the meaning of 'elohim here, for when 'adham, "men," is used to denote the lower classes, it is contrasted with 'ish, as in Ps 49:2 (3 in Heb), not with 'elohim. When contrasted with 'elohim it signifies the human race. (b) Some commentators hold that by "sons of God" is to be understood the pious race descended from Seth, and by "daughters of men" the daughters of worldly men. These commentators connect the passage with Gen 4:25 f, where the race of Seth is characterized as the worshippers of Yahweh and is designated as a whole, a seed (compare Deut 14:1; 32:5; Hos 1:10 (2:1 in Heb)). They consider the restricted meaning they put upon "men" as warranted by the contrast (compare Jer 32:20; Isa 43:4), and that as the term "daughters" expresses actual descent, it is natural to understand "sons" in a similar sense. The phrase "took wives," they contend also, supports the ethical view, being always used to signify real and lasting marriages, and cannot, therefore, be applied to the higher spirits in their unholy desire after flesh. On this view verses 1-4 are an introduction to the reason for the Flood, the great wickedness of man upon the earth (verse 5). It is held that nothing is said in verse 4 of a race of giants springing from the union of angels with human wives (see paragraph 2, below), and that the violence which is mentioned along with the corruption of the world (verse 11) refers to the sin of the giants. (2) Most scholars now reject this view and interpret "sons of God" as referring to supernatural beings in accordance with the meaning of the expression in the other passages. They hold that Deut 14:1, etc., cannot be regarded as supporting the ethical interpretation of the phrase in a historical narrative. The reference to Jer 32:20, etc., too, is considered irrelevant, the contrast in these passages being between Israel and other nations, not, as here, between men and God. Nor can a narrower signification (daughters of worldly men) be attached to "men" in verse 2 than to "men" in verse 1, where the reference is to the human race in general. This passage (Gen 6:1-4), therefore, which is the only one of its kind, is considered to be out of its place and to have been inserted here by the compiler as an introduction to the story of the Flood (verses 5-8). The intention of the original writer, however, was to account for the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of demigods with human wives. This interpretation accords with Enoch chapters 6-7, etc., and with Jude 6 f, where the unnatural sin of the men of Sodom who went after "strange flesh" is compared with that of the angels (compare 2 Peter 2:4 ff). (See Havernick, Introduction to the Pentateuch; Hengstenberg on the Pentateuch, I, 325; Oehler, Old Testament Theology, I, 196 f; Schultz, Old Testament Theology, I, 114 ff; Commentary on Genesis by Delitzsch, Dillmann, and Driver.) But see ANTEDILUVIANS, 3; CHILDREN OF GOD; GIANTS; NEPHILIM; REPHAIM. (from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1996) NEPHILIM (nef'-i-lim) (nephilim): This word, translated "giants" in the King James Version, but retained in the Revised Version (British and American), is found in two passages of the Old Testament-one in Gen 6:4, relating to the antediluvians; the other in Num 13:33, relating to the sons of Anak in Canaan. In the former place the Nephilim are not necessarily to be identified with the children said to be borne "the daughters of men" to "the sons of God" (verses 2,4); indeed, they seem to be distinguished from the latter as upon the earth before this unholy commingling took place (see SONS OF GOD). But it is not easy to be certain as to the interpretation of this strange passage. In the second case they clearly represent men of gigantic stature, in comparison with whom the Israelites felt as if they were "grasshoppers." This agrees with Gen 6:4, "the mighty men that were of old, the men of renow." Septuagint, therefore, was warranted in translating by gigantes. (from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Copyright (c)1996 NEPH'ILIM (nef'i-lim; Gen 6:4; Num 13:33). See also Giant. The Nephilim are considered by many to be giant demigods, the unnatural offspring of the "daughters of men" (mortal women) in cohabitation with the "sons of God" (angels; cf. Gen 6:1-4). This utterly unnatural union, violating God's created order of being, was such a shocking abnormality as to necessitate the worldwide judgment of the Flood. (From The New Unger's Bible Dictionary. Originally published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois. Copyright (c) 1988.) |
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4 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | prophet ezra brown | 32561 | ||
Look that is what you believe that may be an interpetaion but thats not what i got out of vines hebrew greek to english translation dictionary the gave me the meaning i stated i will not debate the word or get into despute any one i just pray that when you responed to someone you are looking to help them get an understanding not start a debate. God bless | ||||||
5 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | The Disciple | 32663 | ||
Sir, I am to believe that you believe that WE SHOULD NOT debate the Word of God? If not, why ? Does it not say in HIS Word, "Just as iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend."? Prov 27:17 For myself, when I am learning from another - my countenance is honed a lil bit more. It also says, "Be diligent to present yoursleves approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings for they will increase to more ungodliness." 2Tim2:15,16 Is the word of truh being seen in a profaning or babbling content?? vs 17,18 shows 2 men doing just that. Dicussing issues that are totally incorrect. What we have seen in this thread about this issue to me...is not what is stated in 2Tim. In vs 23 thru 25 (same chapter), "But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes...be gentle to all, able to TEACH, ...in humility correcting those who are in opposition." We seem to be doing just that, being gentle in a teaching with humility. I ask you kind sir, DID NOT PAUL (Saul of Tarsus) debate with the higher ministries from town to town? Please read my profile before answering...I am in here for myself as well as for others. *shalom* D |
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6 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | prophet ezra brown | 32673 | ||
debates are not important they can cause srife in my experince but the word stands on it own every word or god is right. just think about it . i would that we only speak the word for the purpose of edifying on another and encouraging one another in god that is all good day God Bless | ||||||
7 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 32681 | ||
Dear Mr. Brown, You say,"debates are not important they can cause srife in my experince but the word stands on it own every word or god is right. just think about it . i would that we only speak the word for the purpose of edifying on another and encouraging one another in god that is all good day." I do agree that debates can cause strife, but I do not agree with your statement that debates are not important. I am here in this forum to learn and share what I have learned in all humility and love. For my passion and love is within the words of the Father. His words are Truth, and we as His children need to stand up for the Truth. If debates are not important, then I am concerned for the fact that a lie which is left undebated may lead my brothers and sisters astray and right into the hands of the evil ones. For this fact alone and many more, I will not sit back and allow false teaching to be rampant. If I am wrong in my belief, then correct me, I am open minded and always learning and searching for the truth and love. God is Love. It has been my experience that those who show strife and harshness have issues within themselves they need to workon before trying to help others. Thanks for your thoughts, Bless you, Love Fountain |
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8 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | prophet ezra brown | 32814 | ||
any man that dosen't have any issues is grave and glory ready, my belief is that we learn and grow by faith acting on the word and being lead by the spirit of God into all truth until such a time as we have reached the mark that has been set for us i trust his word i believe his word and i believe that a soft answer turns away wrath but a harsh answer stirs up strife find it in the word its in thier. | ||||||
9 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | The Disciple | 32952 | ||
Mr. Brown, What you state is so very TRUE indeed. But a word in wrath, IS NOT a word in debate. Debate by its finality, is a friendly discussion. Society being what it is and how the media has presented "debating" is not what the true sense of the word means. *SHALOM* the Disciple |
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10 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | prophet ezra brown | 33019 | ||
That may be right dear believer but that is still my view feel free to bring me to a better understanding if you can i believe in getting an understanding | ||||||