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1 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Servant7 | 31079 | ||
Greetings in the Lord, Sadly, my brother, you can light a persons foot on fire, and they will refuse to address it. Traditions are often the controling factor, and not the Word of God. Alot of the confusion is created by the notion that Seth's line was Godly and noble. This simply was not the case. Seth's line (aside from Noah), perished in the flood. This whole mess is created by a missed translation of Gen 4:26. "Then men bagan to call upon the name of the Lord", is incorrect. "then men began to profane the name of the Lord", is a more accurate rendering. I attempted to share this in other posts, and was met with sarcasm, and disdain; hardly what I expected from my family in Christ. While there is no one hundred percent guarantee that this is refrenceing angels, it certainly is not speaking of Seth's line. Some other "heavenly Bodies"? Only the Lord knows. This is not salvation issues, but might have great importance in the end days. What Deceptions is Jesus Refrencing in Matt 24:4? Does Matt 24:37 shed some light on this? Let us not forget that the word "nephilim" also means "fallen ones". Check out the root word "Nephal"; "to fall, be cast down, to fall away, desert". What does this mean? Let me know what you think. These Nephilim are obviously not done.(Matt24:37). This is the difference from Noah's time to know? Tell Me what you think brother. In Christ, Servant7 |
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2 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | LookingforTruth | 31120 | ||
Dear Servant7, It is sad to see and listen to many say they are in Christ and to be yet so far away, yet blinded by the traditions of men, stuck without spiritual discernment. For this I hurt every hour of every day in my heart. I have and continue to read the Bible in search of truth and one of the truths which is so plain and blatant to me is that fallen angels took women for wives and had offspring with them,"Nephilim(giants, mighty men, gibbor, men of old, etc..)" Your reference to Matt 24:37 is a good one but what about verse 38, who were the ones giving and taking in marriage? This is obvious to me that the fallen angels are coming back. As it says in Rev 12:9 they will be cast to earth with satan. How about Rev chapter 9, do you think the locust who have the angel of the bottomless pit(Rev 9:11) over them are actually going to be fallen angels?, I do. Another reference to the fallen angels which lines up with them coming back can be found in 1Cor 11. In 1Cor 11 men are told not to put a false spiritual veil(long hair) over their head and women are told to keep their spiritual veil(long hair) because of the angels(1Cor 11:10). Most people believe 1Cor 11 to be referring to good angels, not me. Anyway, these are some things I believe have been revealed to me and I believe the angels are coming again and will be trying to seduce men and women with their goodly words, like locust of Rev 9 their power is in their mouth(words) and their sting is in their tails, like a scorpion they will sting and those asleep will never see it coming. Jesus said my sheep will hear my voice and hearken to the commands of the Father and it is obvious that you are listening. I only wish there to be more who quit listening to men and start listening with their heart while reading the Bible. What do you think? Love Fountain |
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3 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31121 | ||
Hello, Not implying to be rude, but What left field did this come from? Your references are taken out of context. Matthew 24:37 The context is that the people before the flood were acting in the normal manner. They were eating and drinking. They were marrying and so forth. Everything was going normally, then Whammo! Noah and his family got in the Ark and The flood came. It is not implying anything closely related to angels taking them as mates. 1 Corinthians 11:10. Again, taking things out of context. The idea being presented is that Just as the angels came from God, so did Woman come from man. As a result, her hair is a symbol of the fact that she same from man, and that her hair should not be shaved off, nor should she go around with her head uncovered. Now, while this is a cultural symbol, it does have meaning for us today. A woman who had her head covered was viewed as an upstanding woman, a woman of good character. This can be applied to us today. Women today don't necessarily need to cover their heads, but they do need to act as Christian Women should act. This is what Paul was trying to say in this passage. He wasn't saying anything about angels doing the nasty with humans. As for the passages in Revelation 12, this is talking about what will happen to Satan and his demons. On that note, The reason why they are to be punished is that they left heaven and rebelled against God. There is no verse that says that angels had sexually immoral relations with humans. All that is ever said about disobedient angels is that they left their natural domain. As for Satan, in one place, it says that he attempted to overthrow God and take charge. As a result, he was cast out of heaven along with those who followed him. Jesus also said, "When he puts forth all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice," and "I am the Good shepherd; and I know my own and My own know me." I wish for there to be more who would properly read and study the Bible and stop taking things out of context. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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4 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31157 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Forgive me for using two names, for some reason I could not log onto the forum lastnight as Love Fountain for sometime so I used Looking for Truth which was a name I used a while back. Anyway, I do not play left field, I play shortstop but no offence is taken. I do not understand what is so hard for you and others to accept that fallen angels came and took women for wives and had children with them. Please read the following, Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. The sons of God (bene 'Elohim)... daughters of men. Wickedness was increasing on every hand. Cain's descendants became exceedingly godless and pagan. A powerful race of giants, called "Nephilim," came into prominence. The verb (napal), "to fall," has been considered the source of the noun, and so these gigantic creatures have been thought of as "fallen ones." The reference to the (bene 'Elohim) has occasioned marked differences of opinion among scholars. ('Elohim) is plural in form. It is usually translated "God." But it can be translated "gods," as, for instance, when it refers to the gods of the heathen neighbors of Israel. It can, also, denote the heavenly circle of beings in close fellowship with Jehovah, residents of heaven, assigned specific duties as God's assistants (see Job 1:6). In some cases in Scripture "sons of God" may be identified with "angels" or "messengers." Jesus is the Son of God in a unique sense. Believers are called "sons of God" because of their relationship to him. In the OT, however, "sons of God" are a special class of beings that make up the heavenly court. The reference to the marriages of (bene 'Elohim) to the daughters of men has been dealt with in many ways. To translate it literally would make the passage say that members of the heavenly company selected choice women from the earth and set up marriage relationships with them, literally and actually. This can be the only interpretation of Job 1:6. There, the (bene 'Elohim) were plainly the members of God's heavenly court. S. R. Driver maintains that this is the only legitimate and correct sense that can be accepted. Jesus' reply to the Sadducees, in Matt 22:30, seems to make this view untenable. He said that the angels "neither marry nor are given in marriage." The statement in Gen 6:2 makes it clear that permanent marriage is described. Women were chosen and forced to become parties to the unnatural relationship. Bible students who have rejected this solution have resorted to other explanations. Some have said that a union of Seth's godly line with Cain's godless descendants is described. Still others hold that these words refer to marriage between persons of the upper class of society and those of a lower or less worthy class. In the light of the facts and the accurate rendering of the words of the text, we conclude that some men of the heavenly group (angels or messengers) actually took wives of the earthly women. They used superior force to overpower them, to make the conquest complete. The "sons of God" were irresistible (cf. 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 6). (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) Jesus loves you too!, Bless you, Love Fountain |
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5 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31368 | ||
Hello, The main problem that I see with "Sons of God" referring to Angels is that this passage would be the one, and only time that this phrase is used to mean angels. On top of that, you have passages in the New Testament in which the Greek clearly is saying something other than what everybody is wanting it to say. Take Jude 5-7 for example. I have shown through an analysis of the Greek that verse seven is not talking about the cities in relation to the actions of the angels in verse 6, but the cities in relation to the actions of Sodom and Gamorrah, which are listed in verse 7. Also, all that Peter says is that the angels left their natural domain. He says nothing that even hints to idea that angels had relations with humans. Then you have the question in Hebrews 1:5 that asks, "to which of the angels has HE said, you are my son, today I have begotten thee?" Then you have the numerous times where human believers, either Israel or Christians, and Jesus Christ are all called the "Sons of God". I have dismissed the passages in Job chapters 1 and 2 because of the question of what the original text says. Some manuscripts have "angels of God" and others have "Sons of God". This variation makes Job's passages unreliable in this discussion. Even further, there is the context of Genesis 1 - 19. Up until the destuction of Sodom and Gamorrah in Genesis 19, the only angelic creature referred to is the Cherubim with the flaming sword. To talk about angels for a length of 4 verses without calling them angels, then to refer to them by name again 12 chapters later adds confusion. Also, Genesis 2-3 talks about God and Man. Genesis 4-5 talks about the growth of Man, specifically Cain and Seth. With these two chapters you have names that appear in both lines. Then from Genesis 6:5- chapter 10 you have Noah's Ark. Now, to refer to angels in Genesis 6:1-4 makes me ask the questions, "where did the angels come from, and Why weren't they talked about before?" Remember the duplication of Names I mentioned, how do you resolve that if Genesis 6:1-4 refers to angels marrying humans? The only solution which solves these problems is that the Sons of God refers to Seth's line, the Daughters of Men refers to Cain's line, and Genesis 6:1-4 talks about when the two lines intermarried. It is the only way that it all makes sense. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman "God is not a God of confusion but of peace," 1 Corinthians 14:33. |
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6 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31696 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Thanks for the response and for repeating yourself. I agree God is not the author of confusion nor does His word ever conflict with itself, and this is why I do my best to get out of the way and allow Scripture to interpret Scripture. When ever I forget to do this I try to remember the following verse, John 4:23-24 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." (from New International Version) With the above verse in mind at all times, I was reading what you wrote and a particular sentence stood out to me, You said,"Also, all that Peter says is that the angels left their natural domain. He says nothing that even hints to idea that angels had relations with humans.", on the contrary, 2 Cor 5:2 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: KJV In the above verse it says,"in this we groan" in reference to the mortal flesh body and, "our house which is from heaven" refers to our immortal spiritual body. The word,"house", in the Greek is oiketerion. The Greek word "oiketerion" is only used twice in the New Testament, the other is in the following verse, Jude 6 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. KJV The above verse says that the angels "left their own habitation". The Greek word for "habitation" is "oiketerion". In the Strongs the Greek number is 3613 and these are the only two times it is used and in both instances oiketerion is preceeded with a definite article. In the simplicity which is in Christ, this means that the angels left their spiritual existence to take on an existence in the flesh and I would conclude that once in the form of the flesh proceeded to takes wives of the daughters of men and procreate, giving birth to the nephilim, giants, mighty men of old, men of renown. We could ask ourselves how does a spirit take on the form of a man, but think about the man filled with a legion when this question arises, yes the Bible gives plenty example of spirits entering into the flesh. I hope this helps with your understanding of why I believe that the sons of God in Gen 6 are indeed fallen angels. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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