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1 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30222 | ||
Hello Steve, As a point of clarity, I use the NASB as my primary translation, unless otherwise noted. I use the NASB due to it's literal accuracy. You brought up Psalms 8 and the idea that angels are superior than man. However, in Hebrews 1:14, we have the statement that angels are to minister the saved. With that in mind, it is important to remember that Jesus is higher in authority than the angels, and that we too will carry the title of "Sons of God" as Jesus carries. As a result, Man is of higher authority than the angles, especially the Saved. I don't remember where it is, and I've been looking all night, but I remember reading a verse that specifically teaches that Man is higher than the angels. Also, in the NASB, man is listed as being below "God" in this passage, not the angels or heavenly beings, which corrosponds to the rest of Scripture. As for Job 1 and 2, and the possibility it being angels, the primary reason why it says "angels of God" in these passages is because one of the copies of the Septuagint has it in there in place of "sons". Still, even if the original text placed "angels" in the text rather than "sons", it still would support the notion that Angels are the "Sons of God", which is the true matter throughout this whole thread. As for the challenge between God and Satan, remember, it was Satan who made the Challenge, not God. God merely permitted it to happen. As for the meeting of God and Satan, and being infront of angels, I have a few questions about that. Satan was kicked out of Heaven and from among the angels. He lost his place in the heavens. If so, then why is he there with them, before God? Besides, the passage says that Satan was among the group, and that he was roaming around upon the earth. Then we have Job becoming the topic of the discussion between them, as if he was right in their line of sight, which would place him with in the gathered group, specifically in chapter one. So, I ask again, if these are angels that are gathered, then why is Job and Satan there? The only explaination is that the group is that of human believers who are worshipping God, and Satan just happens to come near when he is summoned by God. Do you see my point? Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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2 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | tuli | 30917 | ||
Jesusman, Where on earth do you get the idea that Job was at the meeting? If Job was at that meeting, then why the long discourse at which end he confesses the great confession-of seeing God! By the way, the Man Jesus is higher than the angels and in Him we are. God Bless. |
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3 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30971 | ||
Job was among those who were gathered before God. Not neccessarily among God and Satan as they talked about him. I say that Job was among those who were gathered because first he becomes the immediate topic of the conversation between God and Satan. That supports the idea that he was within eyeshot of both God and Satan. The only place mentioned in the context is the group gathered. I also think that the group is made of human believers due to verses 1-5 of Job chapter 1. The context of these verses say that Job often had fellowships, feasts, and such for his sons. This supports the idea that human believers were gathered in worship before God. As for Jesus being higher than the angels, I know that. What's your point? Jesusman |
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4 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | The Disciple | 31212 | ||
Jesusman, You have not supported your idea that Job was among the group of Satan and God and the sons fo God. But there has been ample defintion from my part using Vines to support the idea that the sons of God were indeed "heavenly bodie" as well as they were not on earth but in heaven. A careful study of what is being said wil show us that. Job 1:6: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord..." they came to God ... no implication of going to a surrounding of rocks (altar) or going to the tabernacle or the temple etc. It says they CAME TO PRESENT THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD... There have been times that the Lord pcame to men and its says as much. And times of men presenting themselves to the Lord at a specific place noted in the verses. This is a time that these beings came to GOD...where is God? In heaven? or is the implication on earth? "and Satan came among them also..." No need to read anything into this...it means what it says. "And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Where is the Lord and Satan now? IF Satan came from someplace and is now before the Lord, does this not imply that he has moved from one place to another? "S Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth..." So if Satan is now on earth before the Lord at this meeting...why is Satan answering in such a profundity? Or is Satan in heaven standing before the Lord with sons of God(line of Seth?). What am I reading into this? How can this be a worship, church service as you imply? And how is Job even among these? If you were to do a word search you may see that the Lord says to Satan in verse 8 ..."Since you have been considering, have you seen he is upright...etc." How else does Satan know about the hedge on Job and his uprightness? You see, Satan is not omnipresent and has to go to earth to get his info. Or am I in left field??? *shalom* D |
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5 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31243 | ||
Support.................... SONS OF GOD (Old Testament) (bene ha-'elohim, "sons of God" (Gen 6:2,4; Job 1:6; 2:1); bene 'elohim, "sons of God" (Job 38:7); 1. Job and Psalms: This article will deal with this phrase as it is used in the above passages. In the passages from Job and Psalms it is applied to supernatural beings or angels. In Job the "sons of God" are represented as appearing before the throne of Yahweh in heaven, ready to do Him service, and as shouting for joy at the creation of the earth, In the Psalms they are summoned to celebrate the glory of Yahweh, for there is none among them to be compared to Him. The phrase in these passages has no physical or moral reference. These heavenly beings are called "sons of God" or "sons of the 'elohim" simply as belonging to the same class or guild as the 'elohim, just as "sons of the prophets" denotes those who belong to the prophetic order (see A.B. Davidson, Commentary on Job 1:6). 2. Gen 6:2,4: Different views, however, are taken of the passage in Gen 6:2,4: "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose ..... The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men." See GIANTS; NEPHILIM. (1) "Sons of God" is interpreted as referring to men, (a) to sons of the nobles, who married daughters of the common people. This is the view of many Jewish authorities, who hold that it is justified by the use of 'elohim in the sense of "judges" (Ex 21:6; 22:8 f, etc.). But this cannot be the meaning of 'elohim here, for when 'adham, "men," is used to denote the lower classes, it is contrasted with 'ish, as in Ps 49:2 (3 in Heb), not with 'elohim. When contrasted with 'elohim it signifies the human race. (b) Some commentators hold that by "sons of God" is to be understood the pious race descended from Seth, and by "daughters of men" the daughters of worldly men. These commentators connect the passage with Gen 4:25 f, where the race of Seth is characterized as the worshippers of Yahweh and is designated as a whole, a seed (compare Deut 14:1; 32:5; Hos 1:10 (2:1 in Heb)). They consider the restricted meaning they put upon "men" as warranted by the contrast (compare Jer 32:20; Isa 43:4), and that as the term "daughters" expresses actual descent, it is natural to understand "sons" in a similar sense. The phrase "took wives," they contend also, supports the ethical view, being always used to signify real and lasting marriages, and cannot, therefore, be applied to the higher spirits in their unholy desire after flesh. On this view verses 1-4 are an introduction to the reason for the Flood, the great wickedness of man upon the earth (verse 5). It is held that nothing is said in verse 4 of a race of giants springing from the union of angels with human wives (see paragraph 2, below), and that the violence which is mentioned along with the corruption of the world (verse 11) refers to the sin of the giants. (2) Most scholars now reject this view and interpret "sons of God" as referring to supernatural beings in accordance with the meaning of the expression in the other passages. They hold that Deut 14:1, etc., cannot be regarded as supporting the ethical interpretation of the phrase in a historical narrative. The reference to Jer 32:20, etc., too, is considered irrelevant, the contrast in these passages being between Israel and other nations, not, as here, between men and God. Nor can a narrower signification (daughters of worldly men) be attached to "men" in verse 2 than to "men" in verse 1, where the reference is to the human race in general. This passage (Gen 6:1-4), therefore, which is the only one of its kind, is considered to be out of its place and to have been inserted here by the compiler as an introduction to the story of the Flood (verses 5-8). The intention of the original writer, however, was to account for the rise of the giant race of antiquity by the union of demigods with human wives. This interpretation accords with Enoch chapters 6-7, etc., and with Jude 6 f, where the unnatural sin of the men of Sodom who went after "strange flesh" is compared with that of the angels (compare 2 Peter 2:4 ff). (See Havernick, Introduction to the Pentateuch; Hengstenberg on the Pentateuch, I, 325; Oehler, Old Testament Theology, I, 196 f; Schultz, Old Testament Theology, I, 114 ff; Commentary on Genesis by Delitzsch, Dillmann, and Driver.) But see ANTEDILUVIANS, 3; CHILDREN OF GOD; GIANTS; NEPHILIM; REPHAIM. (from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright (c)1996 Bless you, Love Fountain |
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6 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | The Disciple | 31264 | ||
Love Fountain, Thank you for the page from the ISBE...it more or less says all the same arguments we have stated to those who dont see the scripture as we do. Seeings how you enjoy this dialogue...maybe you would also be interested in some more provacative dialogue. Type in Acts 2:6 in the search and look up the question... "When will I speak/pray in tongues"...enjoy the string.... *shalom* D |
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7 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Love Fountain | 31348 | ||
Dear Discipled, Thanks for thinking of me. Regarding the thread on tongues, I think I will wait that one out for a while yet. Tongues is another one of those that man has made more complicated than it actually is. Catch you later. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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