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1 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Morant61 | 30752 | ||
Greetings Jesusman! Since this thread seems destined to go on forever, I might as well get involved! :-) I don't feel that it is possible, nor necessary, to take a dogmatic position on this issue either way. It simply isn't that important. However, I can't agree that there isn't any possibility of the "Sons of God" referring to angels or that Jude 7 may refer back to Gen. 6:1-4. Here is why: 1) The LXX, in Job 1:6, actually translates the phrase "the sons of God" as "the angels of God". 2) 1 Enoch, which Jude may have been alluding to, clearly interprets Gen. 6:1-4 as referring to sexual relations between humans and angels. Now, my point isn't to prove the case either way, but simply to point out that both of these sources were fairly conteporary with the writing of the New Testament. Thus, they provide some support to the notion that "Sons of Men" means angels and that Gen. 6:1-4 could refer to sexual relations between women and angels. On a technicule note, would the 'toutois' of Jude 7 have to refer back to the "angels" of Jude 6? Thus, equating the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah with the sin of the angels! "Angels" was the only possible antecedent that I could find in Jude 5-7. However, I couldn't find much info in the quick scan I did of my sources and the text. Maybe you have access to something I missed! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 30981 | ||
Hello Tim, As for Job, and the LXX using angels, true, it does say that. This was one of the things I was researching this week. However, according to my sources, only the LXX uses "angels". I haven't been able to find another source that uses it. This leads me to think that the true reading was "sons". Next, and for the book of Enoch being used in Jude, yes, and it is directly referenced in Jude 14. However, I wonder why Enoch wasn't placed among the cannon? As for "toutos", It doesn't refer to the angels in verse 6. I spelled it out in my other post I gave to "Discipled". You might want to check it out. Here's the abridged edition. "Toutos" refers to Sodom and Gammorah, not the angels. First, you have a constistant pattern. To mention the angels in verse 6, in verse 7, would break up that pattern. If not, then verse 6 would also refer to the people of egypt from verse 5 in one form or another. As we can see, it doesn't. So, the pattern includes that the example of one verse is separate from the other examples in the context. Then there is a matter of punctuation. There is a greek coma between "sodom and gammorah" and "the cities around them". There is no such punctuation between "sodom" and "Gammorah". This shows that "Sodom and Gammorah" are to be contrasted or compared to "the cities around them". The following verse shows that comparisson. "They (the cities around them), in the same manner as these (Sodom and Gammorah) ...". Jesusman |
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3 | The Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 | Genesis | Jesusman | 31006 | ||
On an added note, Sodom and Gamorrah are known all throughout scripture to have been destroyed due to their sexual immorality. The term "sodomite", which is derived from name of the city of Sodom, carries the meaning of someone who acted as the people of Sodom acted, ie: sexually immoral. This is a constant meaning throughout the Bible. It is not disputed. On top of that, there is no direct, undisputed passage that says that angels acted sexually immoral. With that, and what I said in my previous post concerning the Greek language, it follows that the cities around sodom and gamorrah acted like Sodom and Gamorrah. Angels aren't a part of this verse. The only relation between verse 6 and 7 is that they are examples of those who have disobeyed and were punished. Verses 6 and 7 share this with verse 5, and the three ultimately tie into the larger context of the Epistle of Jude. Jesusman |
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