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1 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35886 | ||
Dear Zacht, You wrote "Seeing how both sides find scripture to support what they believe, and scripture isn't in error, then our understanding of scripture is what has to be faulty". From your statement, I take it that you accept my position that Limeted Atonement is Biblical. That it is founded on, and can be defended through scripture. If indeed we do agree, I give God all praise and glory. If you still have doubts, thats OK by me too. I'll praise him in for all things. Atleast we will have gotten to know God's Word just a little bit better. And thats no small thing. I for one have been pleased and edified by our communication with each other. I look forward to us working together again, God willing. God Bless Zacht, Brother John |
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2 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35924 | ||
Dear brother John; Actually, as much as I have enjoyed our discussions, I still hold firm to my opinion that "limited atonement" is not Bibical. This following verse alone is proof enough for me that the atonement has been made universally available. 1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD. I captialized for puncuation Grace and Peace zach† |
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3 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35929 | ||
Good Morning Brother Zacht, You seem to be a early riser also. If you don't mind my asking, what part of the country do you live in? The scriptual support I provided you may not have changed your mind, but You must admit, the doctrine can be supported through Scripture. John |
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4 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35937 | ||
Brother John; I live in the Northeast. I usually like to get up at about 5 or 6 am at the latest. The early morning hours provide me with the best quiet time of the day before life naturally becomes noisy and busy. Concerning your statement: "You must admit, the doctrine can be supported through Scripture." I will say this. People can support anything they want through scripture, and most do. To them they find support for whatever subject they choose. I have seen individuals give Bibical support for most everything. I even have heard people say that they can Bibically support their homosexuality, through OT verses where it says David loved Johnathan. Just one of many examples I could provide, but I hope you see what I mean. For me personally, when reading and studying scripture I need to: 1) Prayerfully read scripture, looking to the Holy Spirit to guide my thinking. 2) Remove any pre-conceived notions about what scripture might say. 3) See scriptural truths through God's eyes, not through Commentaries, or church creeds 4) I need to remain teachable 5) Whenever I see that a belief that I previously believed is no longer scripturally true, I am ready to cast away all previous held to beliefs that were false. (the easiest way for one to be deceived, is to believe that he can't be deceived. Satan is very crafty and subtle, and is an expert in perverting scripture, and without our unreservedly trusting the Holy Spirit alone to be our guide then we fall back on man's teachings. And the Holy Spirit alone is called the Spirit of truth. When many come across a difficult passage of scripture, the first thing they do is run to get their nearest Bible Commentary to see what man says about that text. Scripture says; The Holy Spirit shall teach and guide us into all truth. I believe it must sadden the Lord today when many Christian's rely on their favorite TV preacher or book author or commentary writer, to tell them what portions or verses of scripture mean. They not only rely on human opinion as being the final authority for Scripture explanation, but refuse to trust that the Holy Spirit will be their teacher, as Scripture so clearly states. The Bible, and the Holy Spirit take a back seat to human interpretation. So we today end up with a lot of untruths, and half truths mixed with truth. Just a few last quotes and I will leave off. many Christian's have too readily accepted and have been ingrained with the interpretation of their favorite preacher, Church creed, or Christian Author or speaker, who also got their interpretation from human and not divine sources. Many teachers today, try to force the Scriptures to fit their Calvinism, Armianism, etc. Anyone having an independent understanding of Scriptures as taught by The Holy Spirit, who Scriptures tell us "shall teach you all things," (John 14:26; 16:13) is often ridiculed as being unteacheable. Scripture says; "ye need not that any man teach you." (1 John 2:27). Not Calvin, not Arminius, not Luther, not Wesley or any other man. too much of what formulates our doctrine today comes from footnotes, and commentaries. Scripture says the Holy Spirit will teach and guide us into all truth. The American Bible Society once stated that Bibles should be printed without extra-Bibical comments or opinions We don't compare what Scripture's says by what men say it means, but rather we compare what men say, in light of what Scripture says. God richly bless you John zach† |
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5 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35967 | ||
Dear Zacht, You wrote: "I will say this". "People can support anything they want through scripture, and most do. To them they find support for whatever subject they choose. I have seen individuals give Bibical support for most everything". I don't believe you intended to point a finger at me, when you made this statement, however when taken in context, that is what is implied. Have you discovered the tendency to twist scripture in any of my posts? If you have, please show me where I have strayed into this heretical practice. Your post also implies (points 1-5) that perhaps I should look to the Holy Spirit instead of being hard headed about creeds and teachings of men. Worst of all: Do you really feel that I place the teaching of fallible men above God's infallible Word? Your Brother in Christ, John |
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6 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35971 | ||
Dear brother John; My statements were not directed to you personally. I'm sorry if thats what you got out of that last reply. My previous statements were only intended to be an observation of discussions I have had with VARIOUS individuals in general. Before I became retired, there was such a vast array of beliefs among individuals in my last two work-places. And the people who held to their beliefs were sincere in what they believe. And I respect all peoples beliefs. I personally don't have the final say on what is true. My thoughts are still being shaped through reading the Bible. And while we don't agree on these non-essential topics we discuss, I certainly do respect your thoughts. The thing is however, as I have previously stated is: I know what scripture is used to support "limited atonement" I once believed with all my heart that "limited atonement was Bibical. But as I continued to study my Bible, verses and portions of scripture kept coming up which made me initially question that teaching and eventually doubt and disbelieve it altogether. But whatever I further say about this topic would be a repeat of what I have already stated in previous replies, I will end this reply. Also as I mentioned. I do very much enjoy our discussions. And would enjoy discussing my thoughts on any Bibical topic with you, and believe that you truly are my brother in the Lord. I know we agree an the essentials of our faith. Grace and peace zach† |
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7 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 35975 | ||
Hello Zacht, Please bear in mind that I am new to using this way of communicating and am probably hyper-sensitve. I too look forward to future discussions. Your Brother in Christ, John |
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