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1 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 132181 | ||
"All of these verses use the same word for 'god' - 'elohim'." - Bro Tim But, notice how all translations distinquish gods (small g in Hebrew) from God (Capital G in English); in each case, when God is captilized, it is referring to the Creator - which there is no other (we all agree with that statement). The reason? The context determines that. As you quoted from Isa "apart from me there is no God." You may want to review the context in all earnest. (Just trying to be helpful to you friend.) I've looked at your responses previously and presented some solid scriptural evidences which contradict your explanations. There are some "things" called gods that are made of wood/metal/etc. that are wrongfully worshipped and God forwarned about doing this... and some living beings called gods, like the fallen angel Satan who wanted Jesus to "worship" him in Mt 4:8,9 (sounds like a god to me). From your summary, you make it sound like blasphemy to call anything "a god" that isn't the Almighty God. Yet, I don't think the Creator was committing blashemy on himself when He identified Satan as "the god" of this world. Seems you might want to take that up with Him. :) You state: "I have never denied that Satan is called the 'god of this world'. However, I have denied that Satan is in fact a god." This is a play on word semantics. If Satan wasn't a god, the Creator wouldn't have labeled him one. Let me explain it this way. If someone worshipped Satan, as he wanted Jesus to do, you would be worshipping a god - not God Almighty - but as the Bible says, "the god" of this world. How powerful is this god? The Bible answers in 1 Jo 5:19 "We know [postively] that we are of God, and the whole world is under the power of the evil one". (The Amplied Bible) No wonder the Author of the Bible aptly warned against this powerful god when he said: "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of Christ, who is the image of God." - 2 Cor 4:4 (New International Version) |
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2 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 132248 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! Just two quick points my friend! First of all, you wrote: "Yet, I don't think the Creator was committing blashemy on himself when He identified Satan as "the god" of this world. Seems you might want to take that up with Him. :)" Where exactly does Scripture say that Satan is the god of this world? I was operating on memory when I responded to your post about 2 Cor. 4:4. That was my mistake! :-) I should have read it again. The word 'Satan' never appears in that entire passage! So, your assuming that it must mean Satan, but the Creator never actually said that Satan was the 'god of this world'. Secondly, you wrote: "From your summary, you make it sound like blasphemy to call anything "a god" that isn't the Almighty God." I never said that it was blasphemy! I said that calling something a 'god' does not make it a 'god'. :-) People worship all kinds of 'gods', but they aren't really gods at all. They are not 'gods' except in their imaginations. Again, I would ask that you actually respond to Is. 37:14: "They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands." Each time the word 'gods' appears it is the Hebrew word 'elohim'. There is no capitization. So, there is no such thing in Hebrew as a distinction between 'Elohim' and 'elohim'. The word is the same. However, notice that the word 'elohim' is in fact applied to their idols. They are 'elohim' only in the sense that someone worshipped them as 'elohim'. However, the very same verse then categorically states that they are not in fact 'elohim'. Why? According to Jehovah, there is no other 'elohim' but Him. Yet, your proof that there is in fact other 'elohim' is to apply 2 Cor. 4:4 to Satan, even though the name 'Satan' does not appear any where in the passage! :-( Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134805 | ||
I'm not sure what version of the Gk scriptures Tim is alluding to by his concluding remark: "Yet, your proof that there is in fact other 'elohim' is to apply 2 Cor. 4:4 to Satan, even though the name 'Satan' does not appear any where in the passage! :-(" Here's what the Living Bible (Complete Catholic Edition) says in 2Cor4:4: "Satan, who is the god of this world..." Interesting that this version of the Christian scriptures makes it plain who Paul was alluding to as "the god" of this world - none other than Satan! My other message threads contain the scriptual explanations of why these translators knew Satan to be the god of this world and didn't beat around the bush in identifying him. As we have seen, the pieces of the puzzle can never be forced into place, or else that causes other pieces not to fit and that's what Satan, "the [real and living] god" of this world wants. Compare 2 Cor 11:3. This god (Satan) is not like the gods mentioned in Isaiah that were made from wood. The scriptures indicate that those gods don't really exist (that is, from God's viewpoint... because remember, those worshipping wooden images believed they were gods!). However, there are other gods (i.e. Satan) that do exist according to the Bible. To deny this is to deny Biblical truth. Also, because the Bible is clear that Satan is the god of this world, the application that Tim has been making from Isaiah is like trying to force the proverbial square peg in a round hole. That scripture doesn't apply to 2 Cor 4:4. |
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4 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | Morant61 | 134811 | ||
Greetings Pcdarcan! You wrote: "I'm not sure what version of the Gk scriptures Tim is alluding to by his concluding remark: "Yet, your proof that there is in fact other 'elohim' is to apply 2 Cor. 4:4 to Satan, even though the name 'Satan' does not appear any where in the passage! :-(" Here's what the Living Bible (Complete Catholic Edition) says in 2Cor4:4: "Satan, who is the god of this world..." Interesting that this version of the Christian scriptures makes it plain who Paul was alluding to as "the god" of this world - none other than Satan! My other message threads contain the scriptual explanations of why these translators knew Satan to be the god of this world and didn't beat around the bush in identifying him." My response is simple my friend - the word 'Satan' does not appear in ANY Greek text of this passage. The Living Bible is a paraphrase, not a translation. The authors of the Living Bible have interpreted this passage as a reference to Satan, but the word 'Satan' DOES NOT APPEAR in the text itself. However, Jehovah's comments in Isaiah are exactly as I have quoted them! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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