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1 | Are those He called always chosen? | Rom 8:30 | Makarios | 14055 | ||
"Now we come to Paul’s point, made in part in this verse. Despite the present reality of suffering (although God through his Spirit is in it with us), God will work history for good for everyone who loves God. These “who love God” are those who are the “called,” for it is not just the Jewish people who are called, but everyone who hears and responds to the gospel. Christians are not simply called and then dropped or forgotten about, but called in accordance with God’s purpose, which is God’s plan in history. Paul has already referred to this grand purpose in Romans 8:18-25: God has a future hope for Christians, and not only for Christians, but also for the whole of the creation. However painful the present may be, it is part of God’s grand plan to redeem human beings from sin, to spread the gospel throughout the earth and to bring his redemption to those human beings who turn to him and to the creation itself. Another way of putting this is that those whom God foreknew he predestined to be like his Son. The idea of knowing a person in Hebraic thought (in which Paul was immersed) is that of coming into relationship with a person (Gen 18:19; Ps 1:6; Jer 1:3; Hos 13:5; Amos 3:2; or, negatively, Mt 7:23). Now we find out that it is not simply the physical children of Abraham with whom God has come into a relationship, but all of those who love God. Therefore the idea of “foreknew” is to come into a relationship with someone before some point in time. This “coming-into-relationship-before” can mean one of two things: (1) God chose this relationship with believers before they ever existed, for he has worked through the whole course of history for the salvation of such people and (2) God chose them as a group before they existed, for he also formed them and sent the gospel to them. Yet, whichever of the two is the focus of Paul’s concern, it is not only that God chose them, but that he also has a plan for them, which is to be like his Son. Unfortunately for their comfort, this includes not only the glory of his Son, but also the sufferings of his Son. Thus Christians’ present sufferings for Jesus have a purpose: to make them like Jesus. In the next verse Paul will mention other benefits: how those who love God were called through the gospel, justified through the death of Christ and are certainly to be glorified when Christ returns. Thus Paul is not answering our question about predestination at all. He is writing in a book addressed to the church in Rome. This means the letter is addressed to people who were already Christians. He is in the middle of a section where he has been talking about the sufferings of the Christian life. Now he is telling them the purpose of these sufferings. However unpleasant they may be (and given what non-Christians thought about Christians in the culture, they may have been very unpleasant indeed), these sufferings do not mean that God has forgotten them. “On the contrary,” Paul says, “when you were called in the gospel, it was part of a plan of God. That plan was not to leave you as you were. No, God, according to his plan, entered into relationship with you in order to make you like Jesus. Part of that, of course, is suffering, but the other part is glory. So when the plan is complete you will stand before God fully justified and gloried, in the very image of his Son.” That is why in Romans 8:31-39 we get the exclamations of praise to God. Christians have not fallen out of his hand; even when they do not see him, he is bringing them on toward his glorious purpose for them. So what is God saying about predestination? All those who love God are predestined. God has a previously thought-out plan for them. And that plan is to make them like Jesus. In this security every lover of God can rest, even if their present life seems full of pain and chaos." Taken from "Hard Sayings of the Bible" |
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2 | Are those He called always chosen? - II | Rom 8:30 | Searcher56 | 14267 | ||
Nolan, You did not answer the question. You talked about predestination? I ask again, "are those He called always chosen?" Line up Matthew 22:14 with Romans 8:30 and other passages. Steve |
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3 | Are those He called always chosen? - II | Rom 8:30 | Makarios | 14287 | ||
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4 | Are those He called always chosen? - II | Rom 8:30 | Searcher56 | 14292 | ||
Nolan, You proved could not answer the question. You avioded the question like politicians. Steve | ||||||
5 | Are those He called always chosen? - II | Rom 8:30 | Radioman | 14319 | ||
Get rid of a conceited person, and then there will be no more arguments, quarreling, or name-calling. Proverbs 22:10 GOD'S WORD Translation Who is the conceited person, Steve? "Thou art the man." By the way, lad, you yourself have neither proved nor answered anything. P.S. Could you post one complete Note or Answer without a misspelling? Would it kill you to use spell checker or a dictionary? It isn't the English language that is poor and horrible; it's your use of English. |
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6 | Are those He called always chosen? - III | Rom 8:30 | Searcher56 | 14324 | ||
Radioman, now you answer the question. Are those He called always chosen? | ||||||
7 | Are those He called always chosen? - III | Rom 8:30 | Radioman | 14330 | ||
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8 | Are those He called always chosen? - III | Rom 8:30 | Searcher56 | 14390 | ||
Empty (blnak) minds give blank answers. | ||||||