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1 | Is 'once saved always saved correct? | John 6:37 | Reformer Joe | 31516 | ||
Mike: You wrote: "1) Men will NEVER agree concerning WORKS until they understand fully that Paul in Eph. 2:9 is speaking of the "works" of the old law of Moses" You mean that old law that says "No other gods before Me, no graven images, no murder, no adultery, no stealing, no false witness, no coveting," etc.? Yeah, God probably doesn't care about those at all anymore... You also wrote: "3) GOD'S PART IN MAN'S SALVATION PROCESS - Therefore, in order to save man, God had to design a faith "system" by which man could be reconciled back to God. He accomplished this "by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." (Rom. 3:24). The shedding of Christ's blood "satisfied" God's requirement for man's sin (Rom. 3:24-31; 5:8-10). God provided the means through which man might be "forgiven" of his sins and be "reconciled" back to God (Rom. 5:10). Grace, then, is "God's part" in the reconcilation process (Eph. 2:8).' God's PART? Salvation is 100 percent God's "part," and salvation comes not through a "system," but through the completed work of the only sinless man who ever lived. Salvation is not "part man's effort's, part God's grace." Nothing has been made clearer in Scripture than that. Your so-called "system" has the aroma of hell, Mike. There is no linguistic or textual reason to believe that the "works" of Ephesians 2 and Romans 4 are anything but man's futile attempts to earn salvation. Your system of salvation is no different from that of Islam, for that matter. Christ becomes a superfluous "extra" in your scheme. It is impossible to please God in the flesh (Romans 8:7-9). Man trying to earn heaven will always fail, because they woefully underestimate their own, pervasive unrighteousness. Only being in Christ produces good works in us that please God (Philippians 2:12-14) Of course, you will probably dodge this argument like the others. It is a typical response of the unregenerate. --Joe! |
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2 | Is 'once saved always saved correct? | John 6:37 | Makarios | 31548 | ||
Greetings Joe and Mike! I have been following this discussion from a distance, and I have to say that you both have made some good points, and you have both been so gracious enough as to honesty display how you really think and feel about the subject of "once saved, always saved." I, myself, agree with Reformer Joe on this topic. However, I would ask that we as Christian brothers and sisters would not lose sight of our brotherhood in Christ, no matter how "absurd" a particular post may read to us.. Are we so quick to grind the axe with each other, and to chop down the relationship that we could have, all for the sake of 'gaining the upper hand?' Perhaps we should meet in love and see exactly what we DO agree on.. If there can be no common ground here, then perhaps the discussion should be dropped before it can hurt someone's reputation or cause more harm than good. You see, the very insunation that someone here is an "unregenerate" or 'not saved' is a very serious allegation indeed! While I agree that we must correct each other, we must also see fit to do this in respect; that is, if we wish to be respected by others. I sincerely ask and "make a motion" that we would assert our brotherhood as Christians! Relationships are too easily discarded, and we must seek to build each other up! Joe, I remain impressed by your zeal for the truth! Your posts are very accurate with pinpoint precision! Mike, you have impressed me with the depth of detail and the use of Scripture in your posts, and I am glad that you have found this Forum and have chosen to spend your time here with us! You are a very good and welcome addition to this Forum, and I foresee that you will bless many others with your insight! Blessings to you both, Makarios |
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3 | Is 'once saved always saved correct? | John 6:37 | Reformer Joe | 31551 | ||
Makarios: Thanks for your input. However, Mike is saying more than one can lose his salvation; he is saying that our works and our act of confession are "our part" in us being saved, which clearly places him outside the Christian faith. He is not a brother in Christ, because he holds to a different "gospel." --Joe! |
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4 | Is 'once saved always saved correct? | John 6:37 | JMHO | 31557 | ||
I agree with your salvation statement Joe. But are you seriously saying that the billions of Catholics for the last 2000 years are not your brothers in Christ??? Please tell me it ain't so, Joe |
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5 | Is 'once saved always saved correct? | John 6:37 | Reformer Joe | 31563 | ||
Not ALL the billions, no. Of course, being Catholic doesn't save one any more than being a Protestant does. All human beings who, by God's grace alone, are trusting in Christ's righteousness and completed work alone for their justification are my brothers and sisters in Christ. --Joe! |
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