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NASB | Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Subject: how to be saved |
Bible Note: John John I certainly didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I thought I was saying what your saying only not couched in the same words you use. I do not see a condition in John 3:16 that a person has to understand the gospel to be saved, you apparently do. I didn't address any error on my part as I didn't see that you revealed any. You came back and said both these verses are talking about an unregenerated person I agree both these verses are talking about unregenerate people not people that believe in Christ. As an unregenerate person the scripture is foolishness that is a statement of fact no matter who the audience is. An unregenerate person will not understand the gospel it is veiled to him that is a statement of fact no matter who the audience was. Your saying when a person is born his ultimate fate has been decided, no matter what he does or does not do. If he is elected he will understand the gospel, he will accept it and he will have eternal life. If on the other hand he is not elected he can’t understand the gospel, he can’t accept it and he is condemned to damnation. Not because of what he did or did not do, other than being born of which he had no choice, but rather because he was not elected. To me that renders John 3:16 inaccurate, for John 3:16 to be accurate in the light of this it would have to read. For God so loved the elect that He gave His only begotten Son that who ever was elected and therefore believed in Him would not perish and have eternal life. If you showed me where John 3:16 said that or hinted that, I missed it and I would like you, please, to show me again. And no I do not have an interest in discussing this. The position you hold has summarily been rejected by over two thirds of Christianity and is on the decline. To me your position is indefensible. However I can not let it stand without rebuttal when you try to present as supported by scripture. EdB |