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NASB | Luke 17:3 "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. |
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Bible Question:
I want to start off by saying, I have no desire to convert anyone. If I tried, I would probably fail and instead strengthen your conviction. In the same light, I will continue discussing this only if you are willing to do the same. I have had many Christians try to convert me. They always ask the same questions and feel self fulfilled with their arguments when they are done. I enjoy philosophy, yet, having a Christian say that they do have the answers because they have the bible and I don’t, because I don’t. To me, that statement contains no logic. Every thing I know, I can prove. Everything I can not prove, I don’t know. It is interesting to hear all sides of mans evolution, but really, little of any of it is provable, there fore to, Is merely an intellectual exercise. I do recognize the bible as containing more wisdom than any document ever written. People would profit from learning it. All coexistence is based on morality. But what morality? Liberals in particular tend to say, "do what feels right". Unfortunately, that is the morality that pedophiles, con artists and other people use also. Evil people prefer to have a sliding scale of morality. They detest being judged. They see absolutely nothing wrong with their acts. All people rationalize. All people do things that are wrong. They use rationalization to supply exceptions in "their" case. So everyone has a "dark side". An Evil person though, will condone evil actions as right. So it is really obvious that civilization cannot exist without an agreed on morality. Do what "feels" right does not work. It has never worked. The difference between a successful civilization and a failure is the morality that was used as the model. There are hundreds of religions around the world. Most fail to thrive. Only the Judeo-Christian has worked well. No other religion has created the harmonious environment that the Judeo-Christian has. The governments around the world that do not use the Judeo-Christian morality as a basis for their government have failed miserably. Especially in the Middle East that are Moslem. The Moslem religion does not operate even by the most basic litmus test of right and wrong, "the golden rule". They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure. That is an evil act. It is condoned. It is uncivilized. That is why I say, you can not go to the middle east and civilize them without taking missionaries The world has been trying and failing for over 2000 years. Atheism would be preferable for them. Fortunately though, as the world continues to get smaller. The Internet has linked all of the people of the world. Unfortunately, everyone on the Internet is nameless and faceless. As a result, Evil is having a "hay day" there. It cannot be ignored. Their must be a universal code of morality around the world to Police this up. Yet, the UN invents morality as they go. Trust me, they will not get to where they need to be. Not unless they base it off the Judeo-Christian ethic. That is not going to happen. Therefore, it will fail. All governing bodies that don't follow it fail. So back to the top. I am looking for the "truth". Even if it occurs in places I don't like. Like it or not, the bible works. Yet in this country, we are moving farther away from it and we have become very indulgent. This, in history, has been the pattern of every once successful, failing culture. Flaws in Christianity that I either do not understand or don’t agree with. I will list them. 1. It seems that there is a double standard for morality for the individual and for government. Christian governments can punish wrong doers, yet the individual is required to forgive. This would be interesting to watch a Christian Politician. Apparently they get to pick and choose. 2. It is my belief that the aggressor sets the rules. This is comical to see how immoral people use Christianity to their advantage. They cheat, lie, deceive. If there is a moral person that says anything on a public forum, they are viciously attacked and since they are human, they have flaws. If those flaws are pointed out, their own Christian friends will remove them from office. This leaves an office open, then evil has an elevated chance of filling the office. 3. Christians have a tendency to live in bubbles, ignoring many things that go on beyond that. Mormon like behavior would be impossible if there were not those that were willing to get down in the dirt to fight to protect them. And after this, do not even turn to thank them. Instead they condemn their process of protection. 3. “Turn the other cheek”, does not work for improving behavior. It instead, rewards mis-deeds. I hope that the above answers some questions, but I fear that it just provokes more. Pete2 |
Bible Answer: Pete2, Can you cite the source of what you said ....... That is the Koran. "They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure." While I don't believe in what the Koran says, I doubt it makes these statments. Moreover, we discuss the Bible at this site. |