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NASB | Matthew 16:6 And Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 16:6 Jesus said to them, "Watch out and be on your guard against the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." |
Subject: Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? |
Bible Note: "Like Paul's thorn and Jesus' prayer ("take this cup..."), sometimes the blessing is in what He witholds and in what happens to our hearts in response to His witholding. It's sometimes so poignant, the feeling that comes from this attitude." I addressed the subject of Paul's 'thorn'in the thread beginning with ID# 81017 While I agree with this understanding of God's disciplining and guiding us, Paul's thorn was not sickness and desease. And I believe to add sickness and desease when none of the words in the text indicate such is mistranslating these verses. As a matter of fact in this post I took the entire BOOK and could not find one place where Paul uses the words suffering, or enduring in relationship to sickness and desease. I believe the subject of sickness and desease are addressed in Isaiah 53:4 and 1 Peter 2:24 completely. Persecutions, afflictions, and other attacks of the enemy (be they spirit or man prompted by spirit) are the 'sufferings with Christ' we can expect. Besides, how can I know all that He is actually witholding? (Rom 8:28) "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." In context: 26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? Pay close attention to verse 29...predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ Jesus...Does scripture teach us that Jesus was 'sick or deseased' or does it rather teach us that Jesus HEALED the sick and deseased... This verse does not indicate witholding but rather it indicates the working of the Holy Spirit to turn or work all situations for our good. This in no way means we are to tolerate things in our lives that Jesus has paid the price for. Again, Isaiah 53:4 and 1 Peter 2:24 state that it is not God's will for us to be sick or deseased. Jesus paid the price for our healing. "As for believing or doubting the genuineness our brethren's actions, I think we are asked to hone, not relinquish our critical objectivity. Discernment is highly scriptural. (Phi 1:9) "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment," I agree that we are to use discernment and work out our own salvation...but what do we do with that discernment? Colin, I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. I do not believe that it is God's will for His children to be bound by sickness and desease. He has provided all we need to walk free from this bondage, Jesus stripes and the Word to teach us this fact. Faith must come through meditation which will bring enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. Odviously you believe God heals, but you seem to doubt that it is His will to heal your son. All I can say is that I believe it is His will, and that He is not witholding healing to teach you and your wife. I do believe we must come to this knowledge before we can receive. May God continue to bless your family my brother. God bless |