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NASB | Psalm 68:19 ¶ Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears our burden, The God who is our salvation. Selah. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Psalm 68:19 ¶ Blessed be the Lord, who bears our burden day by day, The God who is our salvation! Selah. |
Subject: Salvation: Instantaneous, progressive? |
Bible Note: Dear Nolan, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I admit that this post 'crosses threads' with several other posts! :-) You wrote: "When a person is saved by grace through faith, there are several instantaneous facets of salvation that occur: substitution, redemption from sin, reconciliation, propitiation, forgiveness, acceptance, deliverance and cleansing from sin, justification, adoption and eternal life." I agree with most of this list, but I am not quite sure that you could include 'cleansing from sin' and 'eternal life.' True, we could 'claim' present and future cleansing (sanctification?) from sin, and the hope of eternal life is imparted to us, but the (for us) reality is not yet ours. My friend, the basis for my notion of progressive salvation is indeed from the 'experiential' viewpoint. (I recognize that it is dangerous to rely solely on experience, it is equally dangerous to think that one can be without experiential influence. No person has ever been perfectly 'Biblical,' no matter how much they claim it. :-)) In order to shepherd God's people, a minister must 'observe' others. This must be discernment, not judgment. And I have on several occasions discerned faith without manifest 'saintliness.' The alternative is to become one that says, "I'm saved, but this fellow shows forth no fruit, so he must NOT be saved." I have also seen those that made a proclamation of faith, but did not bear fruit for years, so are they not saved until the fruition? I don't think so. The result of my observations AND study of the Word is that salvation is BOTH instantaneous and progressive. You see, my friend, one may think that their salvation experience was complete on a certain date, but I CAN prove through Scripture that no one has ever been cleansed from their sin to the point of sinlessness and saintliness! I thank you for some good points, but I still see that salvation is more than a 'point in time.' Salvation is the complete relationship we have with God, sovereignly initiated by Him in grace through the unction of His Spirit, and continuing until we meet Him in glory! There are many aspects to this salvation that DO occur in an instant, in the 'twinkling of the eye,' but other aspects of our salvation are now working toward the sure completion of His will. If you want to say that "God sees it as done," it is your prerogative, but many (in my humble experience) do not have your level (or standard) of faith. :-) Peace and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |