Subject: What were, are, they filled with? |
Bible Note: "1) This shows me that you have a blend of the Holy Spirit and Jesus that is the Baptizer. What are you baptized with? With what does the Holy Spirit/Jesus baptize? Hi Ray, Asis is very eloquent so his/her response should be more than adequate, but I wanted to share a moment if I may.I have before testified to this but am compelled again on this gentle thread where others may come seking. Matthew 3:11 [John 1:33; Acts 2:3, 4; Titus 3:5] He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. I was 'saved' as a child. Drawn by the Holy Spirit in a very real manner to the alter of Grace. At this point I was born again. (I did not understand that term at the time). As a young adult I was sharing my testimony with someone and was sharing that although I knew I was saved and going to heaven, I sensed there was something missing. He began to share that the baptism of the Holy Spirit was a different surrender of submission to God, and led me through the book of Acts. When I was 'filled' I knew that the Holy Spirit had come into my life in a new way. The only way to describe this is that just as salvation was a darkness to light experience, the baptism of the Holy Spirit was equally so. Baptism or infilling of the Holy Spirit is supernatural empowerment and requires a surrender of the will. Many believers do not want God working in their life this way, some from fear, and some from a lack of willingness to surrender their will to this degree, and some from simply not believing He wants to, or can fill them and empower them. "What causes them to speak in tongues?" I personally believe the evidence of tongues is for the 'filled' believer to realize they have moved from natural to supernatural, and to assure them that He is indeed present to work.Speaking in tongues edifies the believer. Speaking in tongues is a humbling experience, not one of pride as some think. Pride will prevent one from yielding. However, it does bring a new BOLDNESS to the believer that some may misinterpret as pride. Which brings me to your second question.. "2) You said that we can quench that utterance from the Holy Spirit. 1 Thess 5:19,20 says, "Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances." What is quenched then; the spiritual utterances (prophecies) or the Spirit?" Just as the infilling requires a surrender of our will, so does obedience to the unctioning of the Holy Spirit to operate in the gifts. A person can still allow fear or pride to tempt them to disobey the Holy Spirit..(On a very personal note..I did this once and the grieving conviction was SO great, I have not since resisted His unction) The unction of the Holy Spirit is like Ezekiel said..a fire within, it is a burning strong desire to speak or act. To 'quench' that is to suppress it the Holy Spirit's unction to the point that one does not obey and act. The Holy Spirit will withdraw the unction and conviction will emediately set in. "I would say that we should be filled with holy spirit, being baptized with holy spirit. How far are we apart in how we see this?" I would say that we hould be filled with the Holy Spirit, Himself alowing Him to lead and work through me supernaturally. Forgive my testimonial style in this writing, and not providing as much scripture as you may expect. Purhaps I will have more time later. God bless |