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1 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 38628 | ||
Dear Tim, I was browsing through the forum and came to this thread where we were discussing who the son of perdition was. I believe the son of perdition is satan in John 17:12 and in 2Thes 2:3 not Judas. You recently helped me learn about a definite article. In 2Thes 2:3 and in John 17:12, the Greek words for "the son of perdition" are "ho huios tees apooleias". They are exactly the same and both have the definite article. So according to the rules of grammar, when dealing with a definite article, it is my understanding that the son of perdition has to be either satan or Judas, it cannot be both, because of the definite article. Is this correct? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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2 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | kalos | 38631 | ||
John 17:12 (NKJV) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. You write: "I believe the son of perdition is satan in John 17:12." OK. Let's test your theory. It should be easy to do. We'll just substitute the word "Satan" for "son of perdition" in John 17:12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except [Satan], that the Scripture might be fulfilled. |
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3 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | meusing | 38640 | ||
It is interesting that W. E. Vine sees the phrase "sons of perdition" as : (b) of persons, signifying their spiritual and eternal perdition, Mat 7:13; John 17:12; 2Th 2:3, where "son of perdition" signifies the proper destiny of the person mentioned; metaphorically of men persistent in evil, Rom 9:22, where "fitted" is in the Middle Voice, indicating that the vessels of wrath fitted themselves for "destruction;" of the adversaries of the Lord's people, Phl 1:28 ("perdition"); of professing Christians, really enemies of the cross of Christ, Phl 3:19 (RV, "perdition"); of those who are subjects of foolish and hurtful lusts, 1Ti 6:9 'An Expository dictionary of New Testament Words' pages 303,304 |
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4 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 38648 | ||
Dear meusing, The "sons of perdition" is not used this way in the Bible. It is only used as son of perdition, singular. I choose the Bible, God's word, over the Vines for understanding and clarification. Please show me in the Bible where it says "sons". Bless you, Love Fountain |
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5 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | meusing | 38658 | ||
I do not read Greek or Aramaic. W. E. Vine was a brother in Christ who did and brought together the meanings of the Greek words so that we who speak English can better understand what the Bible is speaking about. A. T. Robertson, another brother in Christ who does understand Greek wrote ... But the son of perdition (ei mh o uioß thß apwleiaß). The very phrase for antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Note play on apwleto, perished (second aorist middle indicative of apollumi). It means the son marked by final loss, not annihilation, but meeting one's destiny (Acts 2:25). A sad and terrible exception (Mark 14:21). so both see perdition as speaking of the destiny of the one spoken about. let us make sure that is not our destiny John 20:31 Amplified But these are written (recorded) in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ (the Anointed One), the Son of God, and that through believing and cleaving to and trusting and relying upon Him you may have life through (in) His name [through Who He is]. [Ps. 2:7, 12.] |
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6 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 38679 | ||
Dear meusing, Please forgive me, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Please help me understand. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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7 | "Sons" of perdition? | NT general Archive 1 | meusing | 38770 | ||
The word translated 'perdtion' does not equal annihilation. | ||||||