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1 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 28644 | ||
Greetings Ray! You have made some excellent points here! My take is that Scripture doesn't definitively tell us where Judas went (Heaven or Hell), but it does give some pretty strong clues. 1) He was filled by Satan. 2) He betrayed Christ. 3) He killed himself. 4) Further, there is evidence that he did not repent. (Throwing the money into the Holy of Holies was an arrogant and spiteful act, not one of contrition.) You refered to John 18:9, but that verse must also be read in conjuction with John 17:12, "While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled." This verse marks Judas as one who is lost! Either way, I fully believe that God would have and could have forgiven Judas, if he did truly repent. After all, look at the example of Peter. What he did was almost as bad as Judas' actions. Yet, Christ forgave him. I'm glad that our Savior is merciful! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Ray | 28769 | ||
Hi Morant61, Thank you for your encouragement and for your introduction of John 17:12 into the discussion. First let me speak to points of your post. 1) I think that saying that Judas was filled by Satan is pretty strong. John 13:2 says, "And during supper, the evil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray *Him,..." and John 13:18b, "but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'He who eats *My bread has lifted up his heel...' and John 13:27, "And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him. *Jesus therefore said to him, 'What you do, do quickly.'" The devil by putting the idea into the mind of Judas was unknowingly involved in the fulfillment of Scripture, that is, Psalm 41:9. And Jesus in John 13:27 gives the bread to Judas and tells them both, "What you do, do quickly." The disciples didn't know what purpose Jesus said this, but we do; it was TO FULFILL SCRIPTURE. And to glorify the Son of Man. Judas was called a devil by Jesus. And Peter was called Satan by Jesus. I would be slow to prejudge anyone to hell. 2) Judas did indeed deliver or expose to the enemy traitorously. Guilty as charged and as predicted by Jesus. But he was of the lost sheep of the house of Israel whom He came to save, and Jesus loved him to the end. Indeed, at the end Jesus called him friend. (Even though he betrayed Him to the enemy.) See Matthew 26:50, "'Friend, do what you have come for.' Then they came and laid hands on *Jesus and seized Him." 3) Judas killed himself. Jesus didn't want him to be taken out of the world. He would have wanted to send him out into the world with the other chosen disciples. Judas perished, was destroyed, was lost as a witness, because of his own self destruction. But in regard to the fulfillment of Scripture, John 17:12 and Psalm 4l, I don't think that the devil will be shouting in triumph over him. But again, our main concern is that we maintain our own integrity, keep following Him, and pray that we are kept from the evil one. 4) I think that giving the money back shows that he was sorry for betraying innocent blood. I hope that Judas will be able to say with David Psalm 3:1-3. "O Lord, how my adversaries have increased! Many are rising up against me. Many are saying of my soul, 'There is no deliverance for him in God.' But Thou, O Lord, art a shield about me, my glory, and the One who lifts my head." Judas said in the garden "He is the One". That is my belief and hope at least. As far as John 17:12 is concerned. Would you speak about the word "lost" or "perished" or "destroyed" in regard to the Greek and it being in Aorist Tense and Middle Voice for me please. I think that I have understood it, but tell me where I might be wrong. Later, Ray |
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3 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 28776 | ||
Greetings Ray! As far as John 17:12 is concerned, I think someone else brought it up first! :-) I just didn't read their post until after I had responded! What about the word 'lost'? Usually, a verb in the middle voice refers to action done or received by one's self. But, there are some verbs which actually change meanings based upon whether they are in the active voice or middle voice. 'Apollumi' is such a verb. In the active voice, it refers to killing or destroying. In the middle voice, it refers to being destroyed or lost. The aorist tense simply views the action as being completed in a moment of time, usually in the past. So, it seems that 'lost' here refers to something which had already happened to Judas at this point. It is interesting to note that John seems to use this particular verb several times as a contrast with eternal life. Consider the following: 1) John 3:16 - "‘‘For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 2) John 6:27 - " Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”" 3) John 6:39 - "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day." 4) John 10:10 - "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." 5) John 10:28 - "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand." 6) John 12:25 - "The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life." All of these verses seem to contrast "being lost" with "eternal life." Therefore, it seems a reasonable assumption that John 17:12 indicates that Judas did not receive eternal life. However, it is an assumption! :-) Happy New Year! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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