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1 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Makarios | 27864 | ||
Greetings martyr! The Bible says that Judas went to hell. "For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Mark 14:21) "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24) "Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted up his heel against me." (Psalm 41:9) "I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, "HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.'" (John 13:18) "Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?" (John 6:70) "Jesus said to him, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you." (John 13:10) "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12) "For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!" (Luke 22:22) This is "good Scriptural evidence" that Judas was not saved. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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2 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 27947 | ||
Hi, Nolan; With all due respect (and that's a fair amount!), I disagree. These passages make it clear that Judas committed a grievous sin. So have we all. Probably the most damaging passage is John 6:70, where Jesus calls Judas "a devil". The phrase "a devil" doesn't show up anywhere else in the NT, so it needs to be approached with some thought. The Greek word translated as "devil" is defined in Strong's as "prone to slander, ... false accuser, slanderer, ... applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him." Most of the time (34, to be exact), the word is preceded by the definite article "the" which makes it clear that it refers specifically to Satan. In four places, it is used indefinitely - this passage in John and 1 Tim 3:11, 2 Tim 3:3, and Titus 2:3 where it is translated as "false accuser" or "slanderer". Elsewhere in John's gospel (13:2), "the" devil (the one and only) is said to have "prompted" Judas (NIV) or "put it into his heart" (NAS) to betray Jesus. So the motive for betraying Jesus came from Satan, not from Judas himself. Judas, like all of us from time to time, was guilty of succumbing to Satan. And he was certainly a false accuser, so it possible that Jesus used the word in that sense. I don't think John 17:12 reveals Judas' fate; I think it describes his condition. The word "perished" (as in this passage) is also translated nearly as frequently in the NT as "lost". Given the context, Judas had clearly not yet "perished", so he must have been "lost". I think the other passages convey a similar message. But Jesus came to seek and save the lost and no one - not even Judas - is beyond his reach. The fact remains that Judas repented. Martyr said that if he had accepted Jesus, he wouldn't have hanged himself. But at that time, nobody knew what it meant to "accept Jesus". The thief on the cross didn't utter the "sinner's prayer"; Peter hadn't given his Pentecost sermon yet; there were no letters from Paul. Judas might well have called upon the name of the Lord and beed saved. (Rom 10:13) My point is not to prove that Judas is in Heaven; I don't know where he wound up. But if he truly repented - and returning the money and killing himself is pretty strong evidence - he might be in Heaven. Jesus' unconditional love and atoning sacrifice could cover even Judas, a truth for which I am eternally grateful. Peace and grace and a blessed and merry Christmas to you and yours Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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3 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Makarios | 27985 | ||
Greetings Steve Jones! I disagree, and nowhere in Scripture does it say that Judas ever repented of his sin. You say that Judas "MIGHT WELL HAVE CALLED..".. This is TOTAL and COMPLETE speculation on your part, since NOWHERE in Scripture does it say that he, in fact, did this! In all sincerity, Judas did not! He could not deal with his guilt over betraying the Son of God to death, and he hanged himself. The Bible never says that Judas repented of His sin. If Judas was able to repent, then why did Jesus, who knew the eternal destination of Judas before the creation of the world (John 6:70-71), say that "it would have been better if he would not have been born"?? (Matthew 26:24) If Jesus knew what Judas' eternal destination was, then why did He say this if He knew that Judas would be in heaven with Him? Jesus knew that Judas would go to hell. Also, if Judas truly repented and went to heaven, then why was a replacement sought for him in Acts 1:15-26? And why was Judas' homestead made 'desolate' (Psalm 69:25; 109:8; Acts 1:20)?? Would it not have stated something different in this Psalm if Judas went to heaven? And what was Judas' "own place" that was spoken of in Acts 1:25??? Surely you know, since you believe that Judas went anywhere but hell. You cannot reach the conclusion that Judas repented by citing that he returned the money and killed himself. He, in fact, did not repent, and there is nothing in Scripture that you can cite that would be "pretty strong evidence" that Judas MIGHT be in heaven. - Nolan |
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4 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 27989 | ||
Support.............................. Greetings Nolan! One item that always led me to believe that Judas did not "truly" repent is the account of his throwing the money into the temple in Mt. 27:5. This verse says, "So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself." The reason this is relevant is that the word for temple is 'naos.' 'Naos' referred to the Holy of Holies in the Temple, not just the temple precincts. Therefore, I see his act as one of defiance and rebellion, not remorse or repentance. I realize v. 3 does use a word for remorse or repentance. However, it is not the normal word and seems to be used more for a change of mind rather than what we think of as true repentance. Either way, contrast Judas with Peter. Both sinned against Christ, but their responses were totally different. Peter went on to productive ministry and service. Judas defied God by throwing the money in the 'naos' and then ending his life. Personally, I don't see Judas' actions as being consistent with repentance. Would Christ have forgiven him? I believe so, if he had repented. Merry Christmas! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 27999 | ||
Hi, Tim; Please see my (lengthy) response to Nolan. Peter's sin was vastly different from Judas' so I don't think they can be equated. I agree that Judas' actions after realizing what he had done seem wrong, but I don't see how he could have known what was right. He couldn't ask Jesus; he dared not go to the disciples, the religious leaders had betrayed him ("What do we care?") and until Jesus, everything he knew about God had come from them. As I said in the original post, I just don't know and I can't see that the Bible provides a definitive answer. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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6 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 28001 | ||
Greetings Steve! I hope Nolan and I are not arrayed against you! ;-) I don't want to be dogmatic about whether or not Judas truly repented or not. Is it possible? Yes! I just don't think that he did for several reasons. 1) The descriptions of him in Scripture. 2) His betrayal of Christ. (He may not have fully understood his actions, but he surely knew that he was condemning Christ to death.) 3) His actions at the temple. 4) His suicide. These points combined lead me to believe that Judas did not truly repent. I do believe however that Jesus would and could have forgiven him! Merry Christmas my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Judas went to hell? | NT general Archive 1 | stjones | 28007 | ||
Merry Christmas, Tim; At least one day we'll know one way or the other. It's certainly nothing important enough to come between friends. It's almost a hobby with me to imagine (without contradicting Scripture) a God who is bigger and more surprising than I thought. I figure no matter what I come up with, my brain is still way too small to contain him. It helps keep me from thinking that I have him figured out. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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