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1 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 24788 | ||
Hi Brian, 956. "The intercession of the SAINTS. 'Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness.... They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped.'[LG 49; cf. 1 Tim 2:5 .] Do not weep, for I shall be more useful to you after my death and I shall help you then more effectively than during my life.[St. Dominic, dying, to his brothers.] I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth.[St. Therese of Lisieux, The Final Conversations, tr. John Clarke (Washington: ICS, 1977), 102.]" [From the Catholic Catechism] This is a "teaching" of the Catholic Church. It's catechism is used for teaching both child and adult about Catholicism. Q: What are the Marian dogmas of the Catholic Church? A: There are four Marian dogmas: 1) Divine Motherhood - Council of Ephesus 431 2) Mary's Virginity a) Virginal Conception through the Spirit - Baptismal symbols since 3rd century. b) Perpetual Virginity (virginal birth and no other children) - Baptismal symbols since 4th century (first in eastern church) 3) Immaculate Conception (Mary's freedom from original sin) - Puis IX, 1854 4) Mary's Assumption (body and soul) into heaven - Pius XII, 1950 [From "Marian Library/International Marian Research Institute", Dayton, Ohio -- a Catholic organization.] The dates in the above information tells you when those "dogmas" were officially accepted by the RCC. Some are not biblical truth. They were inspired by the many "apparitions of Mary" though... and incorporated into the Church doctrine. Yet, as I said, many disagree with the New Testament... the actual written "apostolic teachings". A PRAYER by Pope John Paul II: Our Lady of the Millennium, Mother of the Redeemer with great joy we call you blessed. In order to carry out His plan of salvation, God the Father chose you before the creation of the world. You believed in His love and obeyed His word. The Son of God desired you for His Mother when he became man to save the human race. You received Him with ready obedience and undivided heart. The Holy Spirit loved you as His mystical spouse and He filled you with singular gifts. You allowed yourself to be led by His hidden and powerful action. On the eve of the third Christian Millennium. we entrust to you the Church which acknowledges you and invokes you as Mother. To you, Mother of the human family and of the nations, we confidently entrust the whole of humanity, with its hopes and fears. Do not let it lack the light of true wisdom. Guide its steps in the ways of peace. Enable all to meet Christ, the Way and the Truth and the Life. Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation. O clement, O loving, O sweet Mother of God and our Mother, Mary! -- written by Pope John Paul II Daily prayers by Pope John Paul II: Through you God's holy people, his Church on earth, appeals for light and strength in its pilgrimage of faith. You have gone before us on the same journey and are now glorified in heaven. Be for us who are still on that journey of faith a true Star of the Sea, leading us to the presence of your Son where he sits at the right hand of the Father, enthroned in glory. More by same author: Take from all our hearts the selfishness that sours relationships and keeps us centered only on ourselves. Give us hearts aflame with charity and filled with love. Make us, like the apostle John who was commended to your care, loving children of our heavenly Father, conscious always of your maternal presence in our lives. You said: To these people, the Church presents Christians who have gone before us and Mary, as role models. Not as figures to be worshipped, but role models. Because of a child's relation with their own mother, sometimes it is easier for the child to relate to the mother of Jesus - which in turn, gently brings the child in Jesus' world. So either the Pope is still in need of Mary to bring him into Jesus' world, or he actually thinks Mary can change hearts, guide people, enable people to meet Christ, lead people to Christ, and he wants to entrust the Church to her... the church who acknowledges her and invokes her; and he believes she can sustain her children and OBTAIN THE GRACE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for them?? The Pope's Mary seems to be able to do everything that God can do. The real difference is that God's Word says that God is the ONLY person who can do those things. For myself, I'll believe God's Word is true before that of any man. God bless. |
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2 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Bob Y. | 25205 | ||
When I was reading what you wrote I kept thinking "What happened to one mediator?" 1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; |
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3 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | There | 25446 | ||
I know what you mean. I used to ask why, "if there is only ONE way to the Father"... then "why does the church teach other means of salvation". Such as works, purgatory, praying to Mary and the saints. Either there is ONE way, or there is NOT ONE way. And since the Bible teaches "one way", and those teachings (apostolic teachings) are what the Catholic Church claims to base their religion on... then the Church's whole teaching should agree with the apostolic teachings. Did that make sense? :) |
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4 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 25483 | ||
It certainly makes sense, There, to say that the Apostolic Church got it right the first time, because it was God-breathed and inerrant. Early Christians needed no map because they recognized The Way as being the only Way. Over the centuries man has attempted to add to The Way or to subtract from it, or in devious ways to pervert it, but Truth is incontrovertible: The Way is still The Way. It's the only genuine one there ever has been or ever shall be. --Hank | ||||||
5 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 25500 | ||
Hank: I read an interesting article about the 21st-century church's adoration of the first-century one. Certainly it had the apostles, but we can see from the epistles that right from the beginning how easily heresy and error began creeping in. From Judaizers to gnostics to recovering idol worshipers in the early church to false teachers to false brethren, the first-century apostolic church had them all. The Evil One has been there from Pentecost trying to cause as much trouble for Christ's bride as he can. We all should stop and think before we start wishing that the church was "the way it used to be." I much prefer to think of how the church should be from the error correction we find in the New Testament. --Joe! |
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6 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 25523 | ||
Joe, thanks for pointing out something that I, to be honest, botched in my post in response to There. Moments after I had posted this response it dawned on me that I'd woefully failed to make my perspective very clear, which was simply that the apostolic doctrine itself was inerrant in the early church but, as was so often the case, the early Christians didn't always practice what the apostles preached..... I expected someone to call me to task and someone did, rightfully so. I feel foolish indeed in the wake of a murky post and it is hoped that not all of mine fit the description :-) Thanks for lending the balance which my response clearly lacked. --Hank | ||||||
7 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 25615 | ||
Hank: It is perfectly understandable. Like I said, this point was driven home to me just this last weekend thanks to an article I read. I recently left a church that shifted its focus completely in order to grab hold of what the elders consider to be an "Acts 2" church model. My response was similar to yours, in that the modern church is post-apostolic and multi-ethnic, which is something we didn't have in Acts 2. Of course, I don't think man-centered, theologically-empty songs and a "felt-needs" approach to preaching was consistent with Acts, in any case. However, that is a story for another post... As I said, the obvious was also pointed out to me by way of the article I had mentioned. The article in question is in this month's Tabletalk magazine, and it is written by Douglas Wilson. It is chock full of little gems like this: "One view is that the modern church is a restoration -- the original church all but disappeared, but God has brought it back. This restorationist mindset sees the work of God on this continent in the past two centuries as God starting over. Then the question is asked, 'Where was your church before (insert the date of your denomination's founding)?' the usual answer is "The first century." But the classical Protestant, when asked where his church was before the Reformation, replies by asking, 'Where was your face before you washed it?'" Wilson rightly suggests that it is a complete lack of historical literacy which contributes to our viewing of the first-century church as somehow idealistically "closer to God." While God certainly did give the apostles to the early church, we in turn have the benefit of His eternal written Word, which was largely written in response to the error and lack of Christ-likeness that was present then. One thing that particularly alarms me about the idea that the first-century church needs to be "recovered" or "restored" is that such an approach has led to the founding of many cults here in the United States. The Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses were both founded on the notion that the church as a whole had become 100 percent apostate and had disappeared shortly after the apostles died. The distinctive practices and beliefs of these cults are supposedly things that have been "lost" for nearly two milennia, but that God finally decided to restore through their organization alone. This also ties into the idea of baptismal regeneration. Whether one thinks that the proper biblical mode of baptism is immersion or not, one has to concede that until the Anabaptists came along after the Reformation, pretty much everyone was sprinkled or poured upon. If the only people saved are the ones who are immersed, then what one in effect is saying is that the Church of Christ (ahem) disappeared completely off the face of the earth for a period of time on the order of centuries. Is that consistent with a sovereign God who has always maintained a remnant of people for His own? Same thing for people saying that speaking in tongues is a prerequisite for salvation... Wow...lots of implications of a restorationist view. I would encourage everyone who visits this group to take the time to get an overview of chruch history (a good place to start is "Church History in Plain Language" by Bruce Shelley). I remain firmly convinced that knowing where we have come from as God's people would eliminate a lot of the error that we allow into the congragation of God's people today. It also gives us a sense of community with the saints of God who came before, a connection to our Christian heritage (after all, we are a "chosen NATION" --1 Peter 2:9), and a very clear picture of how our sovereign Lord fulfills his purposes through a VERY imperfect church (which causes me to marvel all the more at His works!). --Joe! |
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8 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Bob Y. | 25735 | ||
Joe, What really impresses me is not how the first century church was, but the vision of how the apostles, esp. Paul, knew it should be. Bob |
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9 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Norrie | 25744 | ||
We were discussing first century church today in Bible study. Their main focus was on worship and decipleship. Nonbelievers didn't go there, they'd get them saved in marketplaces, then they could come. They usually preformed the Lord's Supper in remembrance of him too. There were only 2 things Jesus taught us to do, pray and how to do Lord's Supper. There are only 2 ordinances he has us do too, Baptism and Lord's Supper. I heard it mentioned today that baptism is the new covenant equivilant of circumcision in the old covenant, it's our sign. The Lord's Supper is done in remembrance of Jesus' death. There was an Xcath lady who asked if there were any rules considering Lord's Supper about fasting, Cath have to fast first. I think they dropped the time limit to a few hours but still there was a fast involved. He explained there are no rules set forth in Bible. Anyway, since Lisa accussed me of making up the junk about if you die w/mortal sin you go to hell and veniel sin gets you purgatory, I asked if that was what the Cath taught and there were many Xcath there who said yes it was what they taught so... |
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10 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Bob Y. | 25745 | ||
I believe the Lord's supper is also done to remind us that He is alive within us by the Holy Spirit. We "eat" His flesh and "drink" His blood to remind us of His presents in the temple of our bodies. I can understand why the early Catholic church didn't want people reading the Bible. God bless you, Bob |
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