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1 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | LisaMarie | 24372 | ||
Oh, I'm going to have to agree with Brian. The elder brother should have been happy for his younger brothers return. Pride and jealousy are not fit for God's kingdom. No one has denied salvation is through Jesus and Jesus alone. I think Brian is saying the Lord would not create innocent peoples only to cast them into hell. They are his creation. Are they to be condemned because no one has been able to reach them with God's word? Some very rocky ground we have climbed up on. There is an old "fable" about Jesus walking through heaven and seeing a lot of people who didn't really belong there. So he went to St. Peter at the gates of heaven and asked him what that was about. Peter tells him, TRUTH! I turn them away from the gates of heaven. Then they go round back and your mother lets them in. It's a light hearted tale and maybe inappropriate for this debate, but. That's me. The touchy-feely happy person. Lisa |
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2 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 24422 | ||
Lisa: I think you misread me. The elder brother was indeed wrong to be upset, but this tale has no connection to getting to heaven by another, "non-Jesus" route, as Brian was implying. You also are absolutely right that God does not send innocent people to Hell. I agree 100 percent. The problem, however, is that no one falls into the "innocent person" category. Read Romans 3:10-18 and you get an excellent assessment by God of just how "innocent" we are. And Romans 1 also deals with the "unreachable by God's Word" scenario: "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse." --Romans 1:18-20 All people are without excuse. Why? Because God has revealed the truth of himself in His creation. Because of our innate sinfulness, however, we "suppress the truth" of God's righteousness. In other words, all humans have the truth of God literally all around them, but our unregenerate spirits are constantly saying, "I am not listening! I am not listening!" until God changes the disposition of their hearts. --Joe! |
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3 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | LisaMarie | 24424 | ||
Mmm, I think you misunderstood Brian. He NEVER said salvation could happen without Jesus. He only commented on Catechism as it relates to those who have never heard the word of God. I understand what you're saying, Joe. I really do. I believe - to the core - that we are born with an innate need to know God. What I think is going on between us is a break down in communication. Some folks here seem to be reading in statements where none was made. I think it would be best if we all stopped a moment to pray for the Holy Spirit to come and help us understand each other. Be well, Lisa |
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4 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 24570 | ||
Those who have not heard the word of God ARE without Jesus. Therefore, they are not saved! That is my whole point. I understand Brian quite well. He's just wrong. I was not stating that we were born with an innate need to know God (even though I hold that to be true). Rather, I cited Scripture showing how God has already revealed Himself through creation, and that sinful humanity has rejected that, to their own eternal peril. The one who has not heard the Gospel preached to them in words is still without excuse before a holy God. --Joe! |
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