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1 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24646 | ||
Norrie I do believe you received all A's in religion in grade school. But, at that time in your life you were learning about God, the way a child learns about God. It was taught to you, the child, as a child. To a child and to some adults, Jesus and God, at times, seem so large and sometimes, beyond reach. To these people, the Church presents Christians who have gone before us and Mary, as role models. Not as figures to be worshipped, but role models. Because of a child's relation with their own mother, sometimes it is easier for the child to relate to the mother of Jesus - which in turn, gently brings the child in Jesus' world. Some children need this, some don't. The Saints, well - I like to think of them as the super heroes of Christianity - they are great role models for children to look up to. By seeing how these role models have applied there Christian values to their own lives, gives a child an opportunity to understand Christianity in more human, and easier to understand ways. This does bring the child closer into the world of Jesus. Again, some children need this extra step in understanding Christianity, some children don't. What becomes a problem, is when children become adults, but they still continue to view these role models, the relationship with Jesus and their responsibilties, through the eyes of children. As an child, I should look up to these role models of the Church, to help develop my relationship with the Father. But, as an adult, I should be living my life as a peer to those that came before me; I should now be the role model for the next generation of children. It is a difficult, when an adult still looks through the eyes of a child. Their understanding of their religion is incomplete, they tend to glorify saints beyond the high-level of respect to which they are entitled and in general, their understanding and perspective is very limited. Commandment #4 being #5 - to the adult, the important part is that people know the 10 commandments. To the child, the order is equally important. Norrie, I am happy you have found a relationship with Jesus - that is the important thing. I sincerely hope that it is giving you the peace and happiness within your life, which you deserve. Brian |
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2 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Norrie | 24653 | ||
No, Brian, I'm talking about a priest standing before us in religion class in HS saying the Bible was written to counteract mythology type stuff. You wrote like I never grew up, just remained a child understanding on childish levels, let me assure you, that is not so! I brought some noncath friends to an Easter svc one time and they did actually change the Easter story and believe me, I knew my gospels, then then had this faggy guy I knew from drama club reading that section, that was the final straw then. I was around thru Vat II, I liked the Latin mass, I sang in the choir, it lost something to me changing it to English, sure couldn't sing the responses right either. Then how about that rollcall of saints they called out during that one svc durting that time, saints you never even heard of and we're singing for them to pray for us. I've been to numerous crowning of Mary svcs, novenas, etc. I've said the rosary more times than I could count, kneeling as a family in front of our own little idol. No thanks, you can stay there if you want but you're wasting your breath if you think you can convince me about how right the RCC is, I know. Explain to me how the Pope when speaking from the Chair of Peter is infallible, he may have been thinking one thing, but when he speaks from Chair, he speaks the truth. When people are cannonized, the pope is speaking from chair. Then all of a sudden, they decided St. Christopher didn't exist. So, was the pope that declared him a saint infallible or was the one who said it was a myth infallible? They both can't be right. Besides, Jesus isn't a baby anymore so St. C couldn't have carried him on his shoulders anyway-more lies! Then how many Mary's they gonna have? They got Mary's in every color, sometimes several of each, I guess each nationality has to have their own. Brain, can't you see you're being duped? You sound like a Jesuit-are you? Then I did read the Chick stuff and unfortunately, he was dead on. He even had a tract about Cath that he said they were trying to remove and sure enough I went to buy more and they were removed, I asked about them and they had a few under the counter, it happened just like he said. Seems to me a real Christian would be defending the Bible before any denomination. The Word is what Jesus says, not what any particular denom says and when you're denom is the end all, maybe you made that denom into an idol in itself? Isn't that what JWs do? Islam? Think about it. I wouldn't die defending the Baptists but I would die defending Jesus, isn't that the way it should be? |
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3 | "Once Saved Always Saved" | NT general Archive 1 | Brian.g | 24670 | ||
Norrie I'll end this discussion with a thought. As I mentioned earlier, the Catholic Church isn't even close to finding the new expanded boundaries created by Vatican II - there is much opportunity for us to open the Church to more people. You were around during Vatican II. I am around to implement Vatican II. You lost something when the Mass was changed from Latin to the language of the community - Catholics all over the world gained, when they could now understand and participate in the celebration. A child likes the melody of the language - an adult values the content. Brian |
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