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1 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | mark d seyler | 164231 | ||
Hi Coty, Welcome to the Forum! If I understand you correctly, you have said that you believe baptism is a requirement for forgivness of sins. But then you later said that you believed a person could still be saved without baptism. Would that not mean that baptism is not required? When I say required, I mean it in the sense that Jesus' atoning sacrifice, and later resurrection, is required. If Jesus didn't die for our sins, and then rise from the dead, then we are still in our sins. To say that baptism is required, then we must say that the person who is not baptized is still in their sins. If a person can be cleansed of their sins without baptism, then baptism is not required. Would you agree with that statement? Mind you, I believe baptism is an important part of our obedience to our Lord, and I am not meaning to downplay it's importance. On you example of the 1000 dollar check, I would liken salvation to direct deposit. Ephesians 2 tells us we are saved by faith, and not of works (not just works of the Law of Moses, but any works). Baptism is a work, therefore, how could it save us? Regarding James 2:24, James is contrasting two different things for us, the first is faith that doesn't have works, and the second is faith that does have works. Look back to vs. 14. It is the faith that does not have works that is not able to save. James is telling us a quality of saving faith. Truly, God considers faith complete when it shows itself by works, but notice, before Abraham offered Isaac, it is written of him, "He believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.(Gen 15:6) - more like direct deposit ;-) Finally, one last item. If baptism is required for salvation, how does that square with: Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. For a doctrine to be true, it must not conflict with Any Scripture, and this passage in Romans is simple and plain. He does not say that it is faith and works that saves. He says that it is faith that has works that saves. We are saved by grace through faith, and not of works. Having been saved, we then do works because we are saved, and one of those first works should be baptism. Again, welcome to the Forum! This has been a much discussed subject, and you can read these discussions by entering "baptism" in the search box. Love in Christ, mark |
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2 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | Coty | 164377 | ||
I'm sorry if I was confusing about some things. I read my note, and I noticed where I contradicted myself about faith alone. I did not mean to say that faith alone would save us. I believe faith is necessary for salvation. Your 2 paragraph about Jesus' atoning sacrifice, if I read it correctly, I agree with. It must be remembered that God did his part for man's salvation, we must also do ours. In Acts 22:16 what did Paul have to do to have his sins washed away? He was not merely baptized after he was saved. Some say Saul/Paul was saved on the road to Damascus. If you closely study the account you will see otherwise. You also make mention of calling on the name of the Lord to be saved. I would like to ask how a person calls on the name of the Lord. You must also remember that the sum of God's word is truth. We cannot pick one scripture and leave another. That is what we call cafeteria style Christianity. Just because he mentioned beleiving in God in one place in the Bible for our salvation and not the other does not erase the scriptures about baptism. I was incorrect about Ephesians 2: 8-9. That does include any works and not just the works of the Law of Moses. This scripture tells us that we can never earn our way to heaven. That is true. I am not saying baptism will earn our way into heaven. I am saying God commanded it so I'm doing it. Baptism would not be included in what you might think as "works." This is not what is being discussed here. Baptism is as much as a work as believing is. Read John 6:29 carefully. You are also correct about James. Yet, the principled can still be applied. Thank you for your time. In Christ, Coty |
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3 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | crusher | 166800 | ||
If you will read Acts 9, 22, and 26 you will get the full picture of what happened with Saul and Ananias. A very important verse relevant to the proper understanding of this verse is Acts 9:17. This verse tells us why the Lord Jesus sent Ananias to Saul (Paul)! Ananias said “…Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.” Therefore, the twofold purpose the Lord sent Ananias to Saul for was 1) So he would receive his physical eye sight and 2) Get filled with the Holy Ghost. The point is: Jesus never sent Ananias to His ‘chosen vessel’ to get him saved! He was already saved! If Saul still needed to get saved when Jesus was informing Ananias what to do, He certainly would have known it and would have put that on the top of Ananias’ list! However, Jesus never even indirectly mentioned such as He sent Ananias forth! Also, when one is sent to another to get him filled with the Holy Ghost, as Ananias was sent, the person to be filled is always a Christian already (Acts 8:14-17). These verses clearly tell us that the Apostles in Jerusalem sent Peter and John to those in Samaria, who were already saved, so they might receive the Holy Ghost! Last point here is that Paul said this about the Gospel, “for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ” in Galatians 1:12. If Paul learned the Gospel or the plan of salvation from Ananias, which would have to be the case if Acts 22:16 means water baptism washes away our sins, then Paul could have never made that statement!!! | ||||||