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1 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | kalos | 515 | ||
Short answer: Baptism is merely an outward symbol of an inward reality. 1 Pe 3:21 NASB "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," "Though water itself cannot save, baptism with water is the vivid symbol of the changed life of one who has a conscience at peace with God through faith in Christ." (Ryrie Study Bible) . . . "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law " (Rom 3:28 NIV). We are justified by faith alone. We are saved by grace through faith plus nothing. We are not saved by grace through faith PLUS baptism. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph 2:8-9 NASB |
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2 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | Coty | 164133 | ||
I do believe that baptism in water is necessary for the forgivness of sins. I do not believe that there is power in the water. I merely believe that God meets us with salvation when we are immersed into water by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When did God meet Naaman with a healing from his leprosy? After he dipped in the Jordan River seven times. It is true that Romans 3:28 tells us that we are not saved by the works of the law. Yet, this is the Law of Moses he is talking about here. The Law of Moses and baptism have nothing to do with one another. The command to be baptized is a New Testament precept, not Old Testament. At the same time we should never look at baptism is a thing we do to earn salvation. We are baptized to obey God. It is one of the conditions of salvation. Salvation can be likened unto a check. If I decided I wanted to give you a gift and wrote out a thousand dollar check, what conditions would you have to meet before recieving the 1,000 dollars. You would have to sign it and take it to the bank. Just because you signed it and took it to the bank doesn't mean you earned it or worked for it. God gives salvation freely out to all those who will obey him. Some will ask, "What if you were to die while you were on your way to be baptized?" That's a good question. I'm glad God is the judge and not I. I believe God would still save that person because of his willingness to obey. But this still does not take away the importance of baptism. You also say we are saved by faith alone. I will have to agree. The devils believe in God as well, but we know they are not saved(James 2:19). The only time the Bible mentions the words "faith only" is in James 2:24. Yet it says a man is not saved by faith alone. There is much more that could be said, but I will stop here for right now. Thank You and In Christ, Coty |
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3 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 164137 | ||
Greetings Coty, Welcome to the Forum! Could you possibly clarify and elaborate on your statement "I merely believe that God meets us with salvation when we are immersed into water by the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?" Specifically: 1. What is your scriptural basis for this? 2. How did you arrive at this conclusion? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | Coty | 164141 | ||
Matthew 28:19 is the scripture I have in mind. When you do something in the name of something you do it by it authority. It's like same "stop in the name of the law." Baptism is nothing to us if it is not in the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It would be merely getting wet. I want to look at the scriptures completly unprejudiced. When I do this, what does the Bible teach us baptism is for? If I were to pick up my Bible for the first time, what would I discover about the concept of baptism. Thank You, Coty |
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5 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 164148 | ||
Hi Coty, Thanks for your reply. I understand Matt. 28:19. A couple additional questions arise: 1. It is one verse, so can you build the doctrine of the need to be baptised in order to be saved from just this one verse? Is that what the verse is teaching? 2. Do you have some other scriptural support? For what it's worth, I think we all have the intention to look at the scriptures with complete objectivity- i.e. unprejudiced. In reality, we all have influences that color our views such as our upbringing and church affiliation. So, I don't know that were I to pick up the Bible for the first time I would reach the same conlusion as you about baptism! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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6 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | Coty | 164196 | ||
Dear BradK, Why do you not believe baptism is necessary for salvation? Most denominations in the world believe it is not necessary. I would simply have to disagree. Mark 16:16, Acts2:38, Acts 8: 37-39, Romans 6:1-4, Colossians 2:12, 1 Peter 3:21. Here are many scriptures that tell us about baptism. Please tell me why the jailer and his family were baptized that very hour of the night in Acts 16:33? Why didn't they wait until the morning. Please tell me why you object to baptism. I will examine your objections with an open mind. If you are right, than I will believe it. I beleive people are making this concept of baptism to hard to understand. Thank you for discussing this with me. In Christ, Coty |
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7 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 164199 | ||
Dear Coty, Thank you for your reply. Simply put, I choose to believe we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9). I think scripture is very clear on this matter. However, you are free to disagree:-) With the utmost respect, it is you who are promoting the view of baptismal regeneration (if I'm correctly understanding your view). So, it is therefore incumbant upon you to prove your case. How do you "believe people are making this concept of baptism to hard to understand?" Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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