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1 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | kalos | 515 | ||
Short answer: Baptism is merely an outward symbol of an inward reality. 1 Pe 3:21 NASB "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," "Though water itself cannot save, baptism with water is the vivid symbol of the changed life of one who has a conscience at peace with God through faith in Christ." (Ryrie Study Bible) . . . "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law " (Rom 3:28 NIV). We are justified by faith alone. We are saved by grace through faith plus nothing. We are not saved by grace through faith PLUS baptism. "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Eph 2:8-9 NASB |
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2 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | NewCovenant7777 | 143433 | ||
First, permit me to share that Belief and Faith aren't synonymous contrary to popular teaching and belief. Scripture says even the demons "believe"(James 2:19). Scripture also says "anything not of faith is sin"(Rom 14:23). *Notice it doesn't say "anything not of belief". So this begs the question what is the difference between faith and belief from God's perspective/Truth? The answer is Faith is Christ literally flowing through the crucified soul of a True Believer. Meaning a soul can believe in Jesus, that He is God, that He died on The Cross, and that He can forgive their sins and grant them eternal life, etc...but if that soul hasn't been granted "true repentance" which is Christ flowing through his/her crucified soul, their "believing" is in vain. Scripture is clear "Many will say Lord, Lord...", but Jesus will say "He never knew them." Obviously, these "Many" believed in Jesus, but didn't have faith. Also, Important to note that without question all the Israelites that were delivered out of Egypt "believed in the God that delivered them", but only a few had faith. Again, Christ is Faith Personified. Faith doesn't come from man and when a soul has "true faith" he or she will not sow or reap in the Mammon System (the seen), but will rather by faith (Christ flowing...), sow and reap in New Jerusalem (the Unseen/Far Away Land that all True Believers long for, and by faith, live in while on earth...Heb 11 and the entire Bible support this...). ***Now it is important to note that an Infant Christian due to his or her doublemindedness will try to sow and reap in the Mammon System, but he or she will receive the discipline of God (by cooperating with the crucifixion process...) and through sanctification and transformation be transitioned out of sowing and reaping in the Mammmon System. ***It is also important to note that "To find your life is to lose it and to lose your life is to find it." (Matt 10:39) I cite this verse because if a soul sees no error in them sowing and reaping in the Mammon System (the seen world) he or she has found his or her life and isn't born again. A True Child of God will not be a tower builder in the name of Jesus and will not claim that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob sows or reaps in the Mammon System. ***The Parable of the Talents shows this clearly. The Wicked Servant buried his talent in the ground. The ground represents the Mammon System and it is VERY IMPORTANT to note that the Wicked Servant called God a Hard God because he knew that God didn't sow or reap in the Mammon System. Rom 10 and 2Tim 3 also identify these "Apostate Souls" as souls that have a zeal 4 God, but deny the power there of. So in conclusion, sad to say, as Scripture says "many are called, but few are chosen", and this paints a bleak, but a scripturally consistent picture that there are "many" that believe, but only a "few" that have faith.(Christ flowing producing "true works of repentance" Image of Vine and Body of Christ/True Church.) Now with respect to Baptism. Baptism is simply a physical symbolic act that represents what only the Holy Spirit does...The immersion into water of a "hopefully converted soul" reflects the truth that when we are in Christ, we are buried into "New Jerusalem Soil" and dead to "Mammon System Soil". It is Christ that produces "works of repentance" through our new creation souls. An unredeemed soul can't produce "works of repentance"; It is impossible. Now of course, sadly and deceptively, an unredeemed soul "can appear" to produce "good works", but they are a counterfeit if Christ isn't literally producing the fruit. And a "tell tale sign" that indeed Christ is flowing through a soul is that the world is becoming increasingly dim and that the soul has little to no interest in building and/or finding his/her life in the Mammon System(the seen world). ***The Delusion God sends, as mentioned in 2Thes 2:11, is that He does sow and reap in the Mammon System(also false miracles and healings). Apostates believe the lie and as a result make the Bible, Jesus, and The Cross into Idols to inspire them in their rebellion/tower building and sadly they do this in Jesus' name. Scripture is clear to love the world is to hate God. Let there be no confusion or twisting of Scripture in this regard. If a souls seeks and claims that God sows and reaps in the Mammon System (the world/the seen) he or she is "more than likely" not born again. The only hope would be that the soul is an Infant, but even an Infant will know, although it will not be totally clear that his or her God/Jesus doesn't sow or reap in the Mammon System. So for a soul to be baptized without Christ literally flowing through their crucified soul is just simply a soul getting wet. Their baptism was in vain...I say this with sorrow... There is much more Christ could share through me on this subject, but time and space will not permit... |
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3 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | kalos | 143465 | ||
Belief is synonymous with faith. The only difference between the words "faith" and "believe" is that "faith" is a noun and "believe" is a verb. To imagine that faith ("belief or trust") and believe ("have religious faith") have different meanings is to err. 'Belief in the N.T. denotes more than intellectual assent to a fact. The word [belief] (Gk. pistis, noun; pisteuo, verb) means *adherence to, committal to, faith in, reliance upon, trust in* a person or an object, and this involves not only the consent of the mind, but an act of the heart and will of the subject. "Whosoever believeth in him" is equivalent to "whosoever trusts in or commits himself to him [Christ]." Belief, then is synonymous with faith, which in the N.T. consists of believing and receiving what God has revealed' (New Scofield Reference Bible, Oxford, 1967). |
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4 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | NewCovenant7777 | 143482 | ||
Greetings, I agree that Scripturally speaking belief and faith are synonymous, the problem is "many" who boast of "believing/trusting in Jesus aren't truly born again, and thus void of faith. If a soul truly believes(has faith) he/she will turn from everything of this world. (Luke 4/Col 2...you can't serve God and Mammon...to love the world is to hate God). My point is, it is possible to believe (even to the point of committing life to HIM/trusting in HIM,(Idolaters do this...) etc...(***Remember there are "many" that praise Him with their lips (singing), but their hearts are far from Him, and think they will be heard for their many words (prayer), and give out of their abundance (tithing), yet still as far as God is concerned be "an unbeliever" because Christ isn't literally living through their soul which is evident by the absence of "any true works of repentance".(They produce counterfeit works. ***Do some research on Tares and Wheat. Tares look like Wheat, but they have no grain and continue to stand erect(proud) whereas Wheat, by the weight of the grain, bows...) Again, I repeat the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob DOES NOT sow or reap in the mammon system/the seen world. If He did, Jesus, the Disciples and all True Christians, and especially those in Hebrews 11 were frauds and awful examples... In conclusion it is possible to Idolize the Bible, Jesus, and the Cross. Many will say, as did I, before God explained it to me, "This is impossible." Well all I can say is that Scripture is clear, "many are called, but few are chosen...the many (they believed, but were faithless) are those who Idolized the Bible, Jesus, and the Cross by using it to inspire them in their works of iniquity in the mammon system/the seen world. Again, "to find your life is to lose it and to lose your life is to find it" (Matt 10:39). The God of the Bible helps no one to find their life here on earth, to the contrary He says "lay it down and hate it" and He faithfully demonstrated this by living a crucified life that in the end He physically carried out... Thanks 4 your response, and I look forward to hearing from you again... |
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5 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 143490 | ||
Taking a wild guess, I would venture that what you are trying to say -- but I'm by no means sure! -- is that there is a difference between saving faith and what James in his Epistle calls "dead" faith, a.k.a., "intellectual" or "historical" faith in Christ. But to argue that faith and belief are not birds of a feather is sawing sawdust. --Hank | ||||||
6 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | NewCovenant7777 | 143491 | ||
Greetings Hank, yes, that is precisely what the Holy Spirit, James, and I are trying to say. Basically "belief" absent of "faith" is not "truly believing" and is therefore dead. Good to hear from you again...nite :-) |
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7 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | NewCovenant7777 | 143493 | ||
Greetings Hank, I think I need to clarify what I have been trying to communicate so there is no more misunderstanding. Can I get an amen to that? Scripturally speaking belief and faith can be and usually are synonyms, however it is the misuse of the word(s), "belief/believe", that is the problem. Belief as it is used in Scripture is synonymous with faith, but again Scriptural belief and faith are dependent on a "foundation of true repentance", otherwise the soul that says "they believe", but there are no true works of repentance (faith) is just giving lip service and "doesn't truly believe" according to the Scriptural definition. "Many" confess Jesus as Lord with their mouth, but the heart is never changed because they refuse to "receive Christ" and be "granted true repentance" which would turn them from "everything of this world". However, again when James says that "even the demons believe", obviously this isn't referring to the use of believe that is synonymous with faith. That is why demons aren't born again and Apostate Christians and them have the same eternal destiny. I hope this clarified things, although I do tend to probably "overexplain" and therefore this may be as clear as mud...LOL |
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