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1 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57477 | ||
Inmyheart For me to get to the site I needed to go to www.tgm.org then select heresy hunters from the selection screen on the left. Let me say I pray you provided this link as a visual demonstration to IntheAndes of how really messed up WoF thinking is. The writer tries first to make the point that all anti WoF are also anti Pentecostal/Charismatic. Nothing could be further from the truth and the writer has no basis for making the statement. I’m Pentecostal! The writer goes on and further makes the assertion that anti-WoF’ist are also Calvinistic, Reformed and Cessationists again nothing could be further from the truth. The writer states to reject WoF distinctives is to reject the Arminian/Wesleyan viewpoint. I hold a Arminian/Wesleyan viewpoint and have defended it many times both here on the forum and outside. The writer begins by saying the WoF has been accused of adopting the metphysical philosophy while there is nothing metaphysical within it. First WoF comes from the teachings of E.W. Kenyon and there is no one that can honestly say, without giggling a little, that Kenyon wasn’t involved in the metaphysical. If they can they haven’t read his book “New Creation Realities”(bizarre at best). I have personally heard a WoF teacher give this an example of the power of faith or lack thereof. Their house wasn’t being cooled. They went out to check the outside air conditioner unit and when they found it not running “declared it broken”. They then taught that was their “error.” They had incorrectly exercised their “faith” and spoke the broken air conditioner into being. They went on to explain the warm house and non running unit were simply manifestations put there by Satan to deceive them into confessing the Air conditioner was broken. Satan wanted to steal from them money they could have used on other things. Had they instead exercised their faith correctly and confessed that the Air conditioner was in fact running correctly and cooling the house, Satan’s deception would have been broken and they would have realized the house was really cool. That my friends is metaphysical philosophy at it highest level. This article that IntheAndes was referred to was written by a writer that is so deceived he doesn’t realize it. However the evidence can plainly be seen. The scriptures he uses to validate WoF quotes are really revealing how very wrong the WoF teaching is. The writer gives an example: “E.W. Kenyon wrote, “We have sung ‘Nearer the cross’ and we have prayed that we might be ‘Nearer the cross’ but the cross has no salvation in it. It is a place of failure and defeat” (Advanced Bible Course, p.279) [emphasis mine]. As usual, the others merely echo Kenyon’s ideas about this. What the Bible says: “May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Galatians 6:14). “I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to those who are being saved it is the Power of God” “ Correct me if I’m wrong here but didn’t Kenyon say the cross was nothing more than a place of failure and defeat? And doesn’t Paul plainly declare the cross is the “Power of God” but is looked at as foolishness to those that are perishing. Can’t we conclude Kenyon has a very wrong impression of the cross? This is just one of many problems within the article. I think Inmyheart did us all a favor, by finding this article. It clearly demonstrates how very wrong WoF is and it is done by someone trying to defend the teaching. Sounds like a Holy Spirit thing to me! Didn’t Jesus say the Holy Spirit would reveal the truth? Submitted in truth and love with the payer and hope eyes will be opened and lives set free. EdB |
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2 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 57546 | ||
EdB, Greetings, and thank you for responding. I was actually posting, only, to In the Andes. I also support the movement that you or any others may reject. With so many views and beliefs on topics such as; Baptism, Holy Spirit(Ghost), Rapture(pre-mid-post), etc., a person must make a stand. But the bottom line is that the evidence of God in a persons life is...LOVE! For an example, you may agree or disagree on my views, and vise-versa, but I not going to be, and I don't expect anyone else to be critical. However, my main reason, if you must know, was to point out what the last paragraph, and particularly the last sentence of the article, which states, "If you desire to have life and peace, stay with the Word of God and stay away from those who make it their life's work to critcize others." Once again, thanks for responding. God bless |
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3 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57566 | ||
Inmyheart As one that was once caught up in the deception of WoF, as one that has to deal with the broken lives of people that WoF has destroyed I believe I must present the truth in hopes it will open the eyes of others before it is too late. I have spent many of my evenings weeping and crying and just loving victims of this hideous deception. People that had given everything, people that had confessed every sin and confessed their faith that God would heal their child only to see that child die. I watch helplessly as they blame themselves and spouses because there had to be hidden sin, something held back or a wrong confession. I know what WoF lies can do in a persons life. I have seen what self guilt can do. I also know that some of the biggest WoFer’s go as far as leaving this country to have operations so the fact that they are sick is not leaked. Or the ones that claim to be healthy yet have serious medical conditions and are under doctor care. I know of the turmoil in their families with rebellious sons and daughters. I also know how many of them talk outside the pulpit, deciding who should take the offering based on how big an offering one each one has brought in. I have seen the tragedy first hand. Forgive me for trying to reach out. Truly I love you and pray that God will open your eyes. EdB |
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4 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | inmyheart | 57636 | ||
EdB, I said that I support the movement that you and others reject. I'm not "caught up" into anything that you write of. I'm not following a Jim Jones movement. You write that "you must present the truth," I know the truth as Jesus answered in John 14:6. If you know anyone who is caught up in what you described in your post, by all means, do reachout to them. Thank you for your concern and for you reply. God bless |
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5 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57642 | ||
Inmyheart Bless you, but if you support WoF you are caught up into something you believe to be true but is not. I pray that the bubble never breaks but it always will. My heart is burdened for you. Inmyheart when time comes where your WoF teaching falls apart and you wonder what is going on. Remember this discussion and remember there are people that have gone through exactly the same thing and have come out as refined gold. There are many praying that your eyes will be opened. Be Blessed and Be a Blessing. EdB |
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