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1 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57261 | ||
1st of all, Nothing that I said was unkind about Hank. Nor was it gossip or division. I merely used him as an example. I could have used John MacArthur. You will notice that I said, "here in this forum and on the radio". In reading their books, I've noticed that they dig really deep to find hidden meanings in all that is said by the WofF. But they never have to dig so deep with morms jws etc. For instance, to prove that they WofF denies the deity of Jesus, "in becoming man incarnate and living as a man on earth, Jesus Christ made no use of his divine nature but acted as a mere man empowered by the Spirit." (Word Of Faith Controversy by Robert Bowam pg149) Walter Martin says, that "Jesus did not minister as the Son of God-he ministered as a mere man anointed by the Holy Spirit" Kenneth Copeland takes the same view: "Jesus did not minister on earth as the Son of God. He could have. He was God manifest in the flesh." In my own personal study, The WofF tenets are almost identical to those of the Assembly of God. You can find them online. It takes apologists looking for tiny variations to conclude that WofF denies the diety of Jesus. Thereby concluding that they are heretical. However, in the Catholic Church, It's not hard to find numerous doctrinal heresies without having to look so hard. I just pulled this off the internet. A prayer to Mary... "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry... To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us..." I had to truncate it to fit the space. And the problem of Coredemptress? Listen, to even have the debate whether there is a coredemptress is bad enough. It's my observation that without the apologists muddying the waters, the only real beef they have with WofF is over money and healing. The original Assembly of God tenets of faith clearly states that healing is always God's will based upon the atonement of Christ. That only leaves the subject of money. I'm sure Kalos, if I haven't ticked him off too bad will want to cut and paste from CRI all the other "heretical" doctrines that I haven't mentioned, DON'T BOTHER. I've already read them and will not read them again. I actually prefer MacArthur's book on Charismatic Caos. I really love it where he says that babies born with defects, cancer, blindness and the like are "God's love gift to humanity." That's classic. (But I digress again, sorry kalos) The Catholic church has in one of their creeds that they believe in the trinity. But wouldn't Cordemptress complicate that? Would that make God quadruplets? Pauls words, "even denying the Lord that bought them" are fitting here. You want to start a fight with a Roman catholic? Attack this doctrine of Mary. That she is useless to the church. These are things from the states! The majority are more defenders of Mary than defenders of the faith. How about Mary's assumption? Mary's sinlessness? I've got something even more interesting. In all of Paul's writings (with the possible exception of Col, but it is included there), he deals with the heresy of returning to the law. In every instance where Paul names a heretic, somewhere in close proximity is the heresy. For instance, Hymeneas and Philitus are of this sort, saying that the resurrection is past, and overthrow the faith of some. Then he talks about thier manner of life and how they teach others to sin. Has not the catholic church sold indulgences in times past? What about bringing the church under bodage to rules and regulations? Tell a catholic that church attendance has nothing to do with salvation. Nor confession to a priest. What or who do they trust in? Have you seen what happens in the Phillipines? How they nail themselves to the cross? walk for miles on their knees till they are bleeding profusely? How they flogg thier backs with whips till they are bleeding? What about all the idols of saints and Jesus? "Little Children, keep yourselves from idols." Hellooooooooo!!!!! I've lived there. I'm sorry. These are much worse than things than anything WofF comes up with. Are there not genuine people who love God in the Catholic church? I believe so. Are there not sincere people trusting in the catholic doctrine and their priest to get them into heaven? Will they make it on sincerity alone? No. It's only faith in God and the work of His Son. Are there sincere people in the WofF? etc etc. Again my beef is not with, Hank or anyother brother. It's with the picking and choosing of pet peeves. Kalos so eloquently cut and pasted for us the fact that CRI does not believe that the Catholic church is cultic. How about outright heretical? I wish they would just be consistent. Besides, we don't judge the man, we judge the fruit right? |
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2 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 57289 | ||
You write: "In my own personal study, The WofF tenets are almost identical to those of the Assembly of God." That is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. You are far, far from the truth. I've been in the Assemblies of God for more than 40 years. I KNOW for a fact that The WofF tenets are NOT almost identical to those of the Assembly of God. They are not REMOTELY similar to those of the A of G. Your statement is just plain nuts. I know exactly what the Assemblies of God believe and you are wrong, wrong, wrong. You do the Assemblies a great injustice to make this crazy accusation. You can go to the A of G website at (www.ag.org/top/). There you may read EXACTLY what the Assemblies believe. After reading this outrageous statement of yours (which has no basis in reality), I wonder if you have any respect whatever for accuracy or fact. |
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3 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57297 | ||
Here are the Tenets of Faith for the AGs. I have had to truncate it for the sake of space. 1. The Scriptures Inspired The Scriptures, both the Old and New Testaments, are verbally inspired of God and are the revelation of God to man, the infallible, authoritative rule of faith and conduct. 2. The One True God The one true God has revealed Himself as the eternally self-existent "I AM," the Creator of heaven and earth and the Redeemer of mankind. He has further revealed Himself as embodying the principles of relationship and 3. The Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ The Lord Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God. The Scriptures declare: His virgin birth, His sinless life, His miracles, His substitutionary work on the cross, His bodily resurrection from the dead, His exaltation to the right hand of God. 4. The Fall of Man Man was created good and upright; for God said, "Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness." However, man by voluntary transgression fell and thereby incurred not only physical death but also spiritual death, which is separation from God. 5. The Salvation of Man Man's only hope of redemption is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God. 6. The Ordinances of the Church Baptism in Water Holy Communion 7. The Baptism in the Holy Ghost All believers are entitled to and should ardently expect and earnestly seek the promise of the Father, the baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire, according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ. 8. The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Ghost The baptism of believers in the Holy Ghost is witnessed by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives them utterance. 9. Sanctification Sanctification is an act of separation from that which is evil, and of dedication unto God. 10. The Church and its Mission The Church is the Body of Christ, the habitation of God through the Spirit, with divine appointments for the fulfillment of her great commission. 11. The Ministry A divinely called and scripturally ordained ministry has been provided by our Lord for the threefold purpose of leading the Church 12. Divine Healing Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement, and is the privilege of all believers. 13. The Blessed Hope The resurrection of those who have fallen asleep in Christ and their translation together with those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord is the imminent and blessed hope of the church. 14. The Millennial Reign of Christ The second coming of Christ includes the rapture of the saints, which is our blessed hope, followed by the visible return of Christ with His saints to reign on earth for one thousand years. 15. The Final Judgment There will be a final judgment in which the wicked dead will be raised and judged according to their works. 16. The New Heavens and the New Earth |
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4 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 57337 | ||
"The major tenets of the Word of Faith movement betray the fact that it is in opposition to mainstream, evangelical Christianity. It asserts that God created human beings in “God’s class” as “little gods.” Before the fall, humans had the potential to exercise a “God kind of faith” and could call things into existence. Humans took on Satan’s nature by rebelling against God in the Garden of Eden, thus losing the ability to call things into existence. In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ became a man, died spiritually (taking Satan’s nature upon Himself), went to hell, was “born again,” and rose from the dead with God's nature. After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to duplicate the Incarnation in believers so they might fulfill their calling to be little gods. It follows, then, that those who have had the Incarnation duplicated in them by the Holy Spirit (thus giving them the ability to exercise the “God kind of faith”) should be successful in every area of their lives. Furthermore, hardships like indebtedness, illness, and even being left by one’s spouse show lack of faith because these problems should be eliminated by “claiming” God’s promises. While certain details of the above outlined doctrine vary from teacher to teacher, the general outline remains the same. CRI considers this teaching in its complete form to be at best aberrational and at worst heretical" (www.equip.org) The organization and leadership of the Assemblies of God do not teach or believe even ONE of the above points of doctrine -- NOT ONE. To claim otherwise one would have to be a fool, a liar or both. |
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