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1 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57261 | ||
1st of all, Nothing that I said was unkind about Hank. Nor was it gossip or division. I merely used him as an example. I could have used John MacArthur. You will notice that I said, "here in this forum and on the radio". In reading their books, I've noticed that they dig really deep to find hidden meanings in all that is said by the WofF. But they never have to dig so deep with morms jws etc. For instance, to prove that they WofF denies the deity of Jesus, "in becoming man incarnate and living as a man on earth, Jesus Christ made no use of his divine nature but acted as a mere man empowered by the Spirit." (Word Of Faith Controversy by Robert Bowam pg149) Walter Martin says, that "Jesus did not minister as the Son of God-he ministered as a mere man anointed by the Holy Spirit" Kenneth Copeland takes the same view: "Jesus did not minister on earth as the Son of God. He could have. He was God manifest in the flesh." In my own personal study, The WofF tenets are almost identical to those of the Assembly of God. You can find them online. It takes apologists looking for tiny variations to conclude that WofF denies the diety of Jesus. Thereby concluding that they are heretical. However, in the Catholic Church, It's not hard to find numerous doctrinal heresies without having to look so hard. I just pulled this off the internet. A prayer to Mary... "Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry... To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us..." I had to truncate it to fit the space. And the problem of Coredemptress? Listen, to even have the debate whether there is a coredemptress is bad enough. It's my observation that without the apologists muddying the waters, the only real beef they have with WofF is over money and healing. The original Assembly of God tenets of faith clearly states that healing is always God's will based upon the atonement of Christ. That only leaves the subject of money. I'm sure Kalos, if I haven't ticked him off too bad will want to cut and paste from CRI all the other "heretical" doctrines that I haven't mentioned, DON'T BOTHER. I've already read them and will not read them again. I actually prefer MacArthur's book on Charismatic Caos. I really love it where he says that babies born with defects, cancer, blindness and the like are "God's love gift to humanity." That's classic. (But I digress again, sorry kalos) The Catholic church has in one of their creeds that they believe in the trinity. But wouldn't Cordemptress complicate that? Would that make God quadruplets? Pauls words, "even denying the Lord that bought them" are fitting here. You want to start a fight with a Roman catholic? Attack this doctrine of Mary. That she is useless to the church. These are things from the states! The majority are more defenders of Mary than defenders of the faith. How about Mary's assumption? Mary's sinlessness? I've got something even more interesting. In all of Paul's writings (with the possible exception of Col, but it is included there), he deals with the heresy of returning to the law. In every instance where Paul names a heretic, somewhere in close proximity is the heresy. For instance, Hymeneas and Philitus are of this sort, saying that the resurrection is past, and overthrow the faith of some. Then he talks about thier manner of life and how they teach others to sin. Has not the catholic church sold indulgences in times past? What about bringing the church under bodage to rules and regulations? Tell a catholic that church attendance has nothing to do with salvation. Nor confession to a priest. What or who do they trust in? Have you seen what happens in the Phillipines? How they nail themselves to the cross? walk for miles on their knees till they are bleeding profusely? How they flogg thier backs with whips till they are bleeding? What about all the idols of saints and Jesus? "Little Children, keep yourselves from idols." Hellooooooooo!!!!! I've lived there. I'm sorry. These are much worse than things than anything WofF comes up with. Are there not genuine people who love God in the Catholic church? I believe so. Are there not sincere people trusting in the catholic doctrine and their priest to get them into heaven? Will they make it on sincerity alone? No. It's only faith in God and the work of His Son. Are there sincere people in the WofF? etc etc. Again my beef is not with, Hank or anyother brother. It's with the picking and choosing of pet peeves. Kalos so eloquently cut and pasted for us the fact that CRI does not believe that the Catholic church is cultic. How about outright heretical? I wish they would just be consistent. Besides, we don't judge the man, we judge the fruit right? |
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2 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 57283 | ||
In the Andes: First, I pray for peace of mind and calmness of heart for you. These issues you bring up are very distribing to you, and your strong words stirr your emotions to a boiling over point. I am not aware of what WofF is, would you please clue me in as to it's meaning. There is a direct sharpness in tone of you words that stings like a fire ant, in my spirit. You have what seems like a real first hand knowledge of cults that couldbe used in a very heelpful way. Have you considered writing Dr. Hamk Hanegraaff, and explaining how you can add to his resource center. Not all the material is written by him. There are many other authors who contribute to his material with full recognization. This would give you an excellant place to put your knowledge to work for good. For most of you are preaching to the choir. We see there are churches that are very borderline to cultism. I believe if you would choose words expressing kindness and openness toward more dialogue you might fing people who would ask you questions, rather that being so abrasive they back away and ignore you. I have never thought less wrong is not as wrong as wrong can be. Rat poison is 90 percent good food. for the rat there is only way to find that out. The end is the same for those trusting cults. I do pray you can reach out in christian love and in soft spoken words that will encourage others to want to hear you message. I am sure you feelings about Kalos are wrong and unhealthy for your spiritual growth. agape, justme |
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