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1 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57231 | ||
In the Andes What are you saying? That if you see a problem in one organization you can't say anything about it unless you point out problems in all organizations? Are you saying if someone was to ask me if Word of Faith was cultic I could not answer unless I also addressed all the problems with Mormons, JW, Islam, Etc. On the issue of prosperity as taught by Word of Faith since you brought it up, which view do you hold of God and Heaven? As a genie whose lantern you hold and if you rub it just right the genie must perform your will. Or do you view heaven as the big slot machine in the sky and you send in your money and hope to hit the jackpot. One teaching I love from the WoF is where they take scripture and show how God with take the manna from the unrighteous and give it to the righteous, yet they themselves the teachers of WoF live strictly off those that listen to them. Makes me wonder about the listeners. Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying, I firmly and truly believe at if we honor and worship God with our tithes, God will open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing such as we won’t be able to contain. I have seen it happen in my life. First we have to understand blessing, God will not turn us into spoiled brats that soon become useless or lazy bums that live off other people. Blessings can be in the way of health, children, children that aren’t drugs, even provision, and many other things or blessings, however God has promised only to meet our needs, not our wants. There are those that will say my third and fourth paragraphs are cheap shots and for that I repent. :-) EdB |
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2 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57262 | ||
Sorry, i don't hold to either of those views of God or heaven. I'll take Cults for 100(dollars) Alex. The question was, is the Catholic Church Cultic? My answer was yes, however because I don't define cultic in the same way as CRI, I must ammend my answer to Heretical in nature. No matter how it started that's the way it is today. And no amount 2 dollar words from CRI or any other organization can change that. No i'm not saying that you have to point out all the problems in all organization. Would you like to discuss the subject of money? |
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3 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57270 | ||
In the Andes How much study of the Roman Catholic church have you actually done? Are you speaking from first hand knowledge, experience, opinion, or what you have heard others say? I think before we call anything, anything we have to had studied it completely. We must understand the founding concepts, understand majority practices, understand minority practices, understand what measures have been taken to bring non conformers into line and what is the intent and direction of the present course. I agree there are some very heretical practices within some Catholic churches. Is this okayed by Rome? Absolutely not. The same holds true for most any denomination there are heretical practices taking place in many churches today, do you call Methodist, Presbyterians, Baptist, Assemblies of God cults? As for the money issue no my friend I have no interest to discuss it with you, I'm sure you know about it than I do, have much more than I do and are far more interested in it than I'm. On that issue I yield to you. On the issue of Word of Faith, yes I will discuss it with you. It is a false teaching and if you really buy into word of faith you unfortunately do hold one of those two views of God. Most probably the first. You may not realize it, you may even deny it, but the fact is that is exactly what WoF teaches. I know you will not take this advice but read Christianity in Crisis and Counterfeit Revival. Read them not from the stand point of what is wrong with what Hank says but concentrate on what you can agree with. Then reread them. My friend you may just have your eyes opened to truth. EdB EdB |
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4 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57276 | ||
You agree that there are some very heretical practices in the catholic church. Is this Ok'd by Rome? How can you say absolutely not? The fundamental issues at hand are clearly held by Rome. Maybe all of you can this question. Just how much heresy does it take to get someone to write a book about it? At what point do you say, Ok that's TOO far? A little leaven leavens the whole lump right? If I do not hold to the doctrine of Mary but do do penance am I a heretic? On the flip side, If I do hold to the doctrine of healing for all in the atonement, but not to prosperity, am I a heretic? How do you know I wont read Ch. in Crisis? How do you know I haven't already read it? Outside of quoting from CRI, what proof do you personally have that the only two doctrines on the issue of prosperity are the two that you mentioned above? Since you brought it up, What heretical practices are found among the baptists and AG's? I'd really like to hear this. |
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5 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57300 | ||
In the Andes Okay have you read Christianity in Crisis? If not will you read it? I thought not! Having studied the Word of Faith movement both from the outside and from the inside for over 15 years I feel fairly qualified to make the statement on the two doctrines on prosperity within the Word of Faith movement. As far as heretical practices within any other denomination, since that is not the basis of their belief and is not part of their statement of faith, nor is the direction or vision of the denomination I see no point in making an issue of them. But any casual observer of the religious scene has seen them within the last 10-15 years. I did not call you heretic nor did I mean to imply you were a heretic. I was asked about Catholicism and I answered it. I also replied to a statement where you said, "if someone said something about one denomination they should say something about another." As to the fundamental issues you find heretical within the Catholic church what is the church’s stance on those issues? How does the church define those issues. What does their statement of faith say about those issues? How is that statement of faith in conflict with orthodox Christianity? If you do any investigation you will find they are all within the scope of orthodox Christianity. While you and I may not agree with them, by definition they are not heretical nor are they cultic. For instance the reading of James 5;13-16 by the Catholic church is seen as sufficient support for “Last Rites” I and most probably you see this as a prescription given to a Christian for a healing. I can see how the Catholic church gets last rites out this text but I think healing from a disease is much clearer understanding. In the Andes before we take this any further do some study find out about the Catholic church and study on Word of Faith, then come back and we can discuss it. EdB |
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6 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 57302 | ||
Just a minute. Do you not find nailing yourself to the cross to pay for your own sins at odds with orthodoxy? Do you not find praying to Mary at odds with orthodoxy? Must I waste my time and energy typing out every little scripture with this issue? How about purgatory? Now on to WoF. Let's talk about heretical practices. I sent Kalos the list of tenets of faith for Ken Hag. min and the AGs. they are almost identical. If I am understanding you correctly, "As far as heretical practices within any other denomination, since that is not the basis of their belief and is not part of their statement of faith, nor is the direction or vision of the denomination I see no point in making an issue of them." Then why would you have anything to say against WoF. Their tenets are the same. I didn't think you thought I was nor did I think you implied me to be a heretic. Even if you did, it wouldn't bother me in the least. Don't worry about it. |
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7 | cult by what definition? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 57306 | ||
In the Andes You have a the knack for overlooking what you want to overlook in making your point. While WoF's statement of faith may be nearly identical to AoG their direction and vision is definitely not. In fact the AoG has issued white papers decrying the teaching of the WoF. I would cut and paste them here but then you would attempt to legitimize your point by attempting to belittle me as you have Kalos. As for defending Catholicism as I have repeatedly said I will not/can not. I merely attempted to explain why the Roman Catholic church is not considered a cult. That reason is they do not fall within the definition of a cult as established by people are considered experts in the field. Should the Roman Catholic church be considered a cult? If the teaching on Mary continues to explain then yes it should. Do I think it will be classified a cult? Yes most probably within the next 5 years. EdB |
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