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1 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | Reformer Joe | 81513 | ||
"And they were denounced for this not accepted. And the true church continued in unity." Right, and what distinguished the true church from the false was its doctrine. Maybe a less-divisive issue would be more instructive. Among the second-century church there is clear indications of both premillennialists and amillennialists. Justin Martyr, a premil himself, acknowledged that there were those among his brethren who rejected a premil view. And yet both of them could not be right. As far as can be seen, no factions or splits occurred over the disagreements (a good thing). Now, if the body claiming to be the true church suddenly started denying the deity of Christ, would it be right or wrong to separate from that body (this is one of the problems that led to the formation of my denomination)? Or what if the church called you a heretic and threatened excommunication if you did not reject the "godless notion" of justification by faith alone? Splits and schisms often occur for horribly pathetic reasons, but that is not to say that all division is unnecessary. I am not terribly familiar with the specifics behind the formation of the Assemblies of God, but I assume that its founders were seeking to return to what they believed ("credere") to be a more biblical practice and doctrine. Do you think that your denomination was founded for good reasons or bad ones? I think mine was founded for good ones, and I praise God that evangelical truth is preserved in the PCA. --Joe! |
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2 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | EdB | 81515 | ||
Joe "Maybe a less-divisive issue would be more instructive. Among the second-century church there is clear indications of both premillennialists and amillennialists. Justin Martyr, a premil himself, acknowledged that there were those among his brethren who rejected a premil view. And yet both of them could not be right. As far as can be seen, no factions or splits occurred over the disagreements (a good thing)." There was also no split in the church or no new denomination. I don't have a problem with disagreements. I don't have a problem with doctrines. I don't have a problem with statements of belief or faith. I do have problems when any of these divide, separate, cause anger or strife. I do not believe that Christ intended the church to be divided, especially into so many factions. I think it even worst when we display those divisions, separations, and strife before the unbelieving world. We are called to make disciples and we can't get along with each other. How do you do that. I know you claim to work within various denominations but I know a lot more you could not get near. And even fewer would invite you to share your doctrine. They might listen to you but they would never consider you a "real" Christian. That division should not exist. Most of the time is basically over something that the Bible does not fully address. The separation exists because man rather than accepting that the Bible does not fully explain this chooses to prove he has spiritual understanding, creates doctrine in an attempt to explain it. 99 percent of the division in the church today is rooted in pride. Too much pride to consider the others point much less look for common ground. EdB |
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3 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | John Reformed | 81567 | ||
Ed, Would you leave a church (even after you did all you could to defend sound doctrine) that fell into the hands of leaders who openly denied the Trinity? Do you deny that there are good reasons (as well as bad reasons) for splits? Were the protestants of the 15th century wrong when they split from the Roman Church? Does your denomination hold to doctrines which are not universally accepted among all christians? Do you agree with all the doctrines the AOG claims are sound? I do not intend to cause you any grief by my questions, I merely desire to show that no one is exempt from the realities of living in a fallen world. Along with the rest of creation we groan while waiting to see our adoption realized at the coming of our Lord. John |
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4 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | EdB | 81587 | ||
John Again I did not claim to have this problem solved. I was merely asking if the church being divided the way it is what Christ desired? And if not do we have any obligation to seek a solution or can we just walk away saying it is unsolvable? EdB |
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5 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | John Reformed | 81590 | ||
Ed, I can only answer your question from my own theological perspective. WCF Chapter III Of God's Eternal Decree I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; Scriptural Foundation: EPH 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will. ROM 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! HEB 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath. ROM 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. John |
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6 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | Norrie | 81629 | ||
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7 | Labels? My church just goes by the Bible | 1 Cor 1:10 | Hank | 81637 | ||
Hi, Norrie. WCF is Westminster Confession of Faith. Wow! What a thread this is. I haven't read anything on the forum lately or posted anything, but this evening I happened upon this thread and decided to wade through it. My eyes got tired before I finished it [I assume it has an end somewhere :-)], and so I have stopped at your question about WCF. I've no pearls of wisdom to impart on the topic of unity in the church and among Christians. Man learned addition first (we assume) and did himself no apparent harm in practicing his newly developed skill. Likewise, when he learned subtraction and multiplication, he soon discovered their practical and beneficient uses. But when he learned the subtle skill of division, he did himself in. Man soon discovered that division, unlike the other three functions, has some terrible side effects -- separating man from man, and man from God. But then, unity is hardly a thing that mankind has really proved himself capable of. It might be said that Adam initially had a certain unity, albeit a lonely one. Then Eve stepped in. unity stepped out, and things have been rather disharmonious and hectic ever since :-) --Hank | ||||||